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  1. 30 Nov '13 16:28
    http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/jurisprudence/2013/11/jameis_winston_the_sexual_assault_allegations_against_the_florida_state.2.html

    Good article, raising troubling questions about rape allegations. Do star athletes get kid gloves treatment? Jameus Winston is star quarterback of #2 ranked BCS Florida State, a freshman likely to be a Heisman trophy candidate for years to come, and probably a lock on a NFL career. What about the young woman? Did she get raped? Or seduced by a hunky good looking kid, with a potential bright future?

    What was the delay in the case, now about a year old?
  2. 30 Nov '13 17:51
    Originally posted by normbenign
    http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/jurisprudence/2013/11/jameis_winston_the_sexual_assault_allegations_against_the_florida_state.2.html

    Good article, raising troubling questions about rape allegations. Do star athletes get kid gloves treatment? Jameus Winston is star quarterback of #2 ranked BCS Florida State, a freshman likely to be a Heisman trop ...[text shortened]... ng kid, with a potential bright future?

    What was the delay in the case, now about a year old?
    It really depends on the facts on the case. No one who was not there has any idea if the victim was told not to press charges or if Winston's claims that the sex was consensual is accurate.
  3. 30 Nov '13 20:28
    Originally posted by quackquack
    It really depends on the facts on the case. No one who was not there has any idea if the victim was told not to press charges or if Winston's claims that the sex was consensual is accurate.
    If a female cries rape, it must be true and the guy must be put in jail, preferably without a trial.
  4. 30 Nov '13 21:51
    Originally posted by Eladar
    If a female cries rape, it must be true and the guy must be put in jail, preferably without a trial.
    It obviously isn't true that people should be put in jail based on false rape claims; however, they should be based on valid rape claims. While this may be a controversial statement, I believe the facts of the case actually matter.
  5. 30 Nov '13 22:55
    Originally posted by quackquack
    It really depends on the facts on the case. No one who was not there has any idea if the victim was told not to press charges or if Winston's claims that the sex was consensual is accurate.
    /Thread
  6. 02 Dec '13 00:50
    Originally posted by quackquack
    It obviously isn't true that people should be put in jail based on false rape claims; however, they should be based on valid rape claims. While this may be a controversial statement, I believe the facts of the case actually matter.
    Indeed, the facts of the case do matter, but are they slow in coming out due to the position of the accused?

    He has a right to the presumption of innocence, and the accuser has the right to a just prosecution if warranted.
  7. 02 Dec '13 01:41 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by normbenign
    http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/jurisprudence/2013/11/jameis_winston_the_sexual_assault_allegations_against_the_florida_state.2.html

    Good article, raising troubling questions about rape allegations. Do star athletes get kid gloves treatment? Jameus Winston is star quarterback of #2 ranked BCS Florida State, a freshman likely to be a Heisman trop ...[text shortened]... ng kid, with a potential bright future?

    What was the delay in the case, now about a year old?
    I know that at Ohio State there was a scandal and they made sure that the players played out the rest of their year before lowering the boom.

    When it comes to college football, at this level large amounts of money are involved, in which case it is not surprising that nothing is being done right now.

    I think the lowest point in college football was the Penn State fiasco. I thought it rather convenient that Penn State admitted wrong doing ONLY after Joe Pa had attained the all time win record.
  8. 02 Dec '13 01:44
    Originally posted by whodey
    I know that at Ohio State there was a scandal and they made sure that the players played out the rest of their year before lowering the boom.

    When it comes to college football, at this level large amounts of money are involved, in which case it is not surprising that nothing is being done right now.

    I think the lowest point in college football was the P ...[text shortened]... ent that Penn State admitted wrong doing ONLY after Joe Pa had attained the all time win record.
    So do they wait for the Heisman vote, or the BCS championship game Jan. 6th?
  9. 02 Dec '13 01:55
    Originally posted by normbenign
    So do they wait for the Heisman vote, or the BCS championship game Jan. 6th?
    Jan 6th, definitely.

    He is untouchable until after the NCG.
  10. 02 Dec '13 13:12
    Originally posted by whodey
    Jan 6th, definitely.

    He is untouchable until after the NCG.
    So football trumps felonious assault, at least in Tallahassee.
  11. 02 Dec '13 13:15 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by normbenign
    So football trumps felonious assault, at least in Tallahassee.
    At Penn State football triumphed pedophiles and a possible murder for decades.

    So what do you think?

    Don't think of it as football, just think of it as people making money. As the good book says, the root of all evil is the love of money.

    Just remember, the NCAA wants to see FSU play for the NCG just as badly, if not more so, than the fans of FSU no matter what they may say otherwise.
  12. 10 Jan '14 19:33 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    At Penn State football triumphed pedophiles and a possible murder for decades.

    So what do you think?

    Don't think of it as football, just think of it as people making money. As the good book says, the root of all evil is the love of money.

    Just remember, the NCAA wants to see FSU play for the NCG just as badly, if not more so, than the fans of FSU no matter what they may say otherwise.
    http://msn.foxsports.com/college-football/story/2014/01/08/woman-who-accused-jameis-winston-of-rape-plans-to-file-civil-suit-against-florida-state-qb.html?cmpid=msn%3Afoxsports%3Aansfox11

    Apparently civil suits are filed going after FSU, Tallahassee police, and Winston. This accusation is a year old, plus a few months. Why isn't there an outcry such as was heard regarding Trayvon Martin?

    http://www.webpronews.com/jameis-winston-is-named-in-rape-lawsuit-2014-01
  13. 10 Jan '14 21:25 / 1 edit
    This accusation is a year old, plus a few months. Why isn't there an outcry such ing Trayvon Martin?
    Because the guy who allegedly committed the rape is black?
  14. 10 Jan '14 22:39 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Because the guy who allegedly committed the rape is black?
    Money outweighs race in this case.

    If Penn State could keep child rape under wraps for decades, and also a possible murder just to win football games, then this guy for Florida state is probably untouchable.

    Maybe if they wait till he goes pro. As it stands now, he is just a Freshman and has a few more NCG's to play in.
  15. 11 Jan '14 19:14
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Because the guy who allegedly committed the rape is black?
    Did being a famous wealthy black athlete enable Mike Tyson to avoid being
    convicted and imprisoned for rape?