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  1. Behind the scenes
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    A late model Ferrari is not a high speed computer, they are 2 different machines designed to do completely different things. Our government is not a business, they are 2 different organizations designed to do completely different things. The concept that we're going to make our government run like a business sounds like a slick idea, but it doesn't work in the real world. We need people who know how to govern, given the tools of their elected office, NOT the tools of a business.

    I watched Howard Schultz try to make his case on TV as to why he'll make a good President. It was identical to George W Bush's "compassionate conservatism" (The man who gave us the great recession) I think Howard Schultz is a nice guy, and he sincerely means well by running, but I'll never vote for him. One has only to watch Donald Trump for the last 2 years to see this is true.

    Please read the link below: No more businessman Presidents

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2012/10/05/government-vs-business/#580012912a54
  2. SubscriberWOLFE63
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    30 Jan '19 14:07
    @mchill said
    A late model Ferrari is not a high speed computer, they are 2 different machines designed to do completely different things. Our government is not a business, they are 2 different organizations designed to do completely different things. The concept that we're going to make our government run like a business sounds like a slick idea, but it doesn't work in the real world. We n ...[text shortened]... esidents

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2012/10/05/government-vs-business/#580012912a54
    Remember Ralph Nader in Y2K?
    Yep, that's what I'm thinking.
  3. Subscribersonhouse
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    30 Jan '19 14:181 edit
    @mchill
    What I want to see is a bill going through eliminating the power of POTUS to shut down government.
    When did that ever come about in the first place anyway?

    Did the first POTUS GW have that power also? When was the power to shut down first invoked?

    It is disgusting to think a POTUS could hold the US hostage, hundreds of thousands of workers with no pay, EPA shut down, air traffic controllers with no pay and nobody in ATC schools and planes shut down because no ATC's to guide them, that is one big goat fuk.
    All because Trump has a temper tantrum.
    So who was the first one to shut down government? Or is it a congressional thing also, house refuses to pass a budget bill and THAT shuts it down too?
    Just don't know the history of government shutdowns.

    Found this WIKI about shutdowns:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_shutdowns_in_the_United_States

    So the possibility started back in 1884 and in the 1980's invoked 10 times, by Reagan, Clinton and a short one by Obama but now the 35 day deal of Trump.

    What if some enemy country saw a shutdown as an opportunity to attack? We would be caught with our pants down and millions could die as a result.
    Who in the HELL ever thought this was a good idea?
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    30 Jan '19 15:111 edit
    @mchill said
    A late model Ferrari is not a high speed computer, they are 2 different machines designed to do completely different things. Our government is not a business, they are 2 different organizations designed to do completely different things. The concept that we're going to make our government run like a business sounds like a slick idea, but it doesn't work in the real world. We n ...[text shortened]... esidents

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2012/10/05/government-vs-business/#580012912a54
    Howard Schultz has come out and said that he opposes socialism right now because the US is too far in debt and needs to pay it's bills first. He says that he is worried about insolvency, you know. like Venezuela, but he favors socialism once America becomes more financially responsible.

    That right there disqualifies him from the DNC. His only option now it so run as an independent.

    I know, I know, free everything and government running everything is our only salvation.

    Thanks for that.

    Most importantly though, do we really want an immoral billionaire, and worse, a white male?

    I shudder to think of how the US could ever elect such a Nazi again.
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    30 Jan '19 15:13
    @sonhouse said
    @mchill
    What I want to see is a bill going through eliminating the power of POTUS to shut down government.
    When did that ever come about in the first place anyway?

    Did the first POTUS GW have that power also? When was the power to shut down first invoked?

    It is disgusting to think a POTUS could hold the US hostage, hundreds of thousands of workers with no pay, EPA ...[text shortened]... r pants down and millions could die as a result.
    Who in the HELL ever thought this was a good idea?
    The best thing we could do... have 3 co-presidents, they make decisions together. No one guy having a bad day.
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    30 Jan '19 15:55
    @whodey said
    Howard Schultz has come out and said that he opposes socialism right now because the US is too far in debt and needs to pay it's bills first. He says that he is worried about insolvency, you know. like Venezuela, but he favors socialism once America becomes more financially responsible.

    That right there disqualifies him from the DNC. His only option now it so run as an in ...[text shortened]... re, and worse, a white male?

    I shudder to think of how the US could ever elect such a Nazi again.
    How do you think the current socialist government of Sweden (for example) manages to have a balanced government budget?
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    30 Jan '19 16:442 edits
    @kazetnagorra said
    How do you think the current socialist government of Sweden (for example) manages to have a balanced government budget?
    First of all, Sweden is not a socialist government like Venezuela. It's not like the government owns all industry like in sh#tholes like Venzy. It's really hard to know what fruit loops like AOC mean by socialism cuz I doubt they even know what it is.

    Secondly, Sweden has not run up a $20 trillion plus debt and exploding exponentially, hence they don't have to raise the revenue to pay for such ridiculous spending. All Dims talk about is free everything in addition to what we already pay for now. And no, the income of the "rich" will not even begin to pay for such spending.

    Yes, the US has the largest GDP in the world, and with such massive debt, they will need to continue that GDP and increase it to survive. As Howard Schultz correctly stated, now is not the time for GDP reducing socialism.
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    @whodey said
    First of all, Sweden is not a socialist government like Venezuela. It's not like the government owns all industry like in sh#tholes like Venzy. It's really hard to know what fruit loops like AOC mean by socialism cuz I doubt they even know what it is.

    Secondly, Sweden has not run up a $20 trillion plus debt and exploding exponentially, hence they don't have to raise the r ...[text shortened]... it to survive. As Howard Schultz correctly stated, now is not the time for GDP reducing socialism.
    Did you notice that you didn't attempt to answer the question?
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    @kazetnagorra said
    How do you think the current socialist government of Sweden (for example) manages to have a balanced government budget?
    Easy. Because people in Sweden work harder than our population does. It really is that simple. They pay more taxes to pay for the general good life, but ALL of them are working. Our parasites don’t pay taxes, but cost us dearly. Another reason is that Scandinavian countries need for the USA to have a huge military. If we shuffled our economy, our expenditures, budget et al all around to mimic Sweden, we would not be able to have a strong military. There are other reasons which you can google.
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    30 Jan '19 17:371 edit
    @averagejoe1 said
    Easy. Because people in Sweden work harder than our population does. It really is that simple. They pay more taxes to pay for the general good life, but ALL of them are working. Our parasites don’t pay taxes, but cost us dearly. Another reason is that Scandinavian countries need for the USA to have a huge military. If we shuffled our economy, our expenditures, budget et a ...[text shortened]... weden, we would not be able to have a strong military. There are other reasons which you can google.
    "Because people in Sweden work harder than our [US] population does."
    --Averagejoe1

    What ignorance! Isn't the average of working hours per week less in Sweden than in the USA?

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-34677949

    "The truth about Sweden's short working hours"

    ""It's difficult to concentrate at work for eight hours, but with six hours you
    can be more focused and get things done more quickly," he says.
    His staff are at their desks between 8.30am and 11.30am, take a full hour off for
    lunch and then put in another three hours before heading back to their homes..."
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    @duchess64 said
    "Because people in Sweden work harder than our [US] population does."
    --Averagejoe1

    What ignorance! Isn't the average of working hours per week less in Sweden than in the USA?

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-34677949

    "The truth about Sweden's short working hours"

    ""It's difficult to concentrate at work for eight hours, but with six hours you
    can be more fo ...[text shortened]... full hour off for
    lunch and then put in another three hours before heading back to their homes..."
    Read it in the NYT, so it could easily be fake news. I just googled, and the USA has 59% employment, Sweden has it higher at 68%. I’m just the messenger, but seems to me there are less people sitting on their porches all day than there are in our welfare state. Go Sweden..... I wish we could be like you. But it ain’t gonna happen.
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    30 Jan '19 18:11
    @averagejoe1 said
    Easy. Because people in Sweden work harder than our population does. It really is that simple. They pay more taxes to pay for the general good life, but ALL of them are working. Our parasites don’t pay taxes, but cost us dearly. Another reason is that Scandinavian countries need for the USA to have a huge military. If we shuffled our economy, our expenditures, budget et a ...[text shortened]... weden, we would not be able to have a strong military. There are other reasons which you can google.
    I don't think people in Sweden "work harder" than Americans do - Swedish workers have more holidays and work fewer hours per week than Americans. It is true that the employment rate in Sweden is a bit higher. The main reason for that is that Swedish women are more emancipated and there are relatively fewer one-income households.

    Sweden is not a part of NATO and does not rely on the U.S. military for protection. It is true that Sweden does spend a bit less on the military (as a percentage of GDP), but it could certainly increase military spending to US levels and maintain balanced budgets with a small tax increase, if that would be desired.

    I know the real reasons, of course. I just enjoy watching whodey squirm after being called out for blathering obvious nonsense.
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    30 Jan '19 18:52
    Nothing wrong with a president that has a good business background.
    But the position shouldn't be one-dimensional.

    And if business acumen was to be a major criteria, I think America could have done better than the current president.

    How many bankruptcies with this guy ?
  15. Zugzwang
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    @kazetnagorra said
    I don't think people in Sweden "work harder" than Americans do - Swedish workers have more holidays and work fewer hours per week than Americans. It is true that the employment rate in Sweden is a bit higher. The main reason for that is that Swedish women are more emancipated and there are relatively fewer one-income households.

    Sweden is not a part of NATO and does n ...[text shortened]... course. I just enjoy watching whodey squirm after being called out for blathering obvious nonsense.
    Sweden has an exceptionally strong defense industry for a country of its size.
    Saab designed and produces a world-class (though aging) fighter aircraft, the JAS 39 Gripen.
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