Originally posted by @sonhouse
So its ok for a culture to pronounce women as lower than men and treat them like trash and not even allow them to drive cars and such and ISIS not allowing women to even be doctors even if they have MD's and Phds and ten years on an operating table, get out and make me coffee, us MEN will take out that brain tumor.....
You have countries like Norway who ...[text shortened]... rying to convince people he was right all along, everyone else was at fault and I was right.....
The ignorant Sonhouse seems addicted to his favorite Islamophobic propaganda.
How could Sonhouse's rant be related to my factual position that non-Western peoples
(Muslims and non-Muslims) are capable of thinking for themselves about government?
I have met and listened to what women from diverse Muslim societies have to say.
Do they envy 'liberated' Western women? Well, it depends upon the issue and the woman.
The status of women in predominantly Muslim societies is more complex than most Westerners assume.
First of all, Islam is a multi-cultural faith, and there's much cultural variation in women's status.
Islamophobic Westerners like to cherry pick Afghanistan under the Taliban and claim that
it must represent every Islamic society in perpetuity.
For centuries in the Ottoman Empire, women had more legal rights than in most of Christian Europe.
"Lay women possessed a great deal of agency for the time period. Ottoman women,
for example, could own property, and retained their property after marriage.
They also had access to the justice system and could access a judge, as well as be taken to
court themselves. By comparison, many married European women did not have this right,
nor could they own property until the nineteenth or twentieth centuries."
Although sexism remains, women have grasped opportunities for higher education in Iran today.
"While the vast majority of Iranian students who attend secondary school do not go on to
study at a university, 42 percent of women who take the university entrance exams continue
on to higher education, compared to 29 percent of males."
"By 1989, women dominated the entrance examinations for college attendance.
Women's participation in education has not slowed despite efforts to impose restrictions
on the increasingly female-dominated educational sphere. The changes in women's
education have split into increased usage and dominance of the opportunities available
to women, and the imposition of strict requirements governing their role in education,
including gender-segregated classes, Islamic dress, and the channeling of women into
"feminine" majors that prevent the pursuit of certain careers."
This "channeling of women into 'feminine' majors" may be compared to the prejudices of
Western men (like James Damore), who believe that women are biologically unfit for high tech careers.
"The UN Special Rapporteur noting in a 2015 report that significant discrimination against women
still persists in the political and economic spheres, overshadowing the gains made in education.
The Special Rapporteur also noted that despite 14 recommendations made to alleviate
the obstacles currently preventing equal gender attainment in the educational sphere,
the Rouhani government rejected consideration of all of them."
"Though education has been dominated in many fields by females, especially at the university level,
it has not enabled women to enter the work force in comparative numbers. Aside from
having an empowering aspect for women, some scholars note increased schooling has
yet to result in paid employment increases or roles in authoritative positions of employment."
The success of women in Iran's universities has not directly translated into them holding
positions of power in the workplace. That may be somewhat compared to the experiences of
Asian Americans in the USA--'too' successful at university, excluded from power at work.
"Some scholars have argued that education has contributed to female self-empowerment, giving
women a task to achieve that is outside the home even if it does lead to viable employment.
Survey evidence indicates that young educated Iranian women view education as important
or very important to a female in Iranian society, more so than other members of Iranian society.
More of these educated youth also believe, more so than their non-educated and older female compatriots,
that their daughters should marry following attendance of an institution of higher education."
In Iran, higher education's changing the patterns of female life, such as marriage and motherhood.
"Just saying there are cultures clearly superior to other cultures ..."
We await Sonhouse's detailed hierarchy of 'cultural superiority'.