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  1. Standard membervivify
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    I started this last year:

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    And nothing's different this year.

    You all remember how outraged Republicans were over Hillary's private emails, right?

    http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/george-w-bush-white-house-lost-22-million-emails-497373.html

    Clinton’s email habits look positively transparent when compared with the subpoena-dodging, email-hiding, private-server-using George W. Bush administration.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/352384-six-trump-officials-used-personal-email-accounts-for-white-house

    Six Trump officials used personal email accounts for White House business

    https://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/02/pence-used-personal-email-state-business----and-hacked/98604904/

    Vice President Mike Pence used a private email account to conduct public business when he was governor of Indiana.

    The office of Indiana’s current governor, Eric Holcomb, released more than 30 pages from Mr. Pence’s email account in response to a public records request by The Star. The state did not release an unspecified number of other emails, saying they were confidential and too sensitive to make public.


    And now, guess what we just found out?

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/14/politics/comey-emails-ig-report/index.html

    Comey used personal email account for FBI business

    Jesus Christ, the hypocrisy is dripping of this guy. Republicans have no shame.
  2. Standard membervivify
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    Kellyane Conway on Twitter:

    https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/792159005774794753

    “If you’re under your 2nd FBI investigation in the same year then you do have a…corruption & an ethics problem.”


    Hmm.....where's her tweet about Donald?
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    16 Jun '18 06:14
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/02/09/rand-paul-calls-out-hypocrisy-of-gop-in-the-trump-era/?utm_term=.a708b87c063c

    Rand Paul calls out hypocrisy of GOP in the Trump era
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    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/steve-wynn-is-a-shining-example-of-republican-hypocrisy.html

    Republicans attacked Harvey Weinstein for being a sexual predator for decades, and he has a limited role in Democratic politics. Meanwhile, Steve Wynn, a MAJOR contributor and power-player in the Republican part has been been accused of sexual misconduct for decades, include forcing women to have sex with him......crickets from Republicans.
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    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/2/16965082/republican-operative-hypocrisy-nunes-memo

    A Republican operative explains the hypocrisy of the Nunes memo:
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    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-reg-nra-convention-pence-gun-ban-20180430-story.html

    No guns allowed at Trump's appearance at NRA convention.


    Oh, so this chicken-sh\t is too afraid to appear in a place with guns, while siding with the NRA?

    http://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2018/04/30/parkland-students-see-hypocrisy-in-nras-ban-on-guns-at-pence-speech/

    Parkland students see hypocrisy in NRA’s ban on guns at Pence speech

    Unbelievable.
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    16 Jun '18 06:401 edit
    Ben Carson:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/13/ben-carson-no-apologies-for-1992-fetal-tissue-research/?utm_term=.9c5f83d9ecf5

    Ben Carson condemned Planned Parenthood for the video showing them discussing the use of aborted dead fetal tissue for medical research....when he conducted his own research in on fetal tissue in 1992.
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-massive-failure-of-christian-political-leadership/2018/05/28/46adaef6-6125-11e8-9ee3-49d6d4814c4c_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.39e3a26787cd

    Trump exposes the hypocrisy of Christian Republicans
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    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/6/28/17511084/senate-republicans-merrick-garland-supreme-court-anthony-kennedy

    Republicans are fine confirming a Supreme Court justice in a midterm year because “it’s different”

    They blocked Obama’s Court pick during a presidential election year — but don’t care if it’s a midterm year.

    Senate Republicans blocked President Barack Obama’s Supreme Court pick, Merrick Garland, in 2016 so voters could have a voice in the process, they said.

    Now, months away from another nationwide election that could fundamentally reshape the political power dynamics in Washington, Republicans have a vacant Supreme Court seat that they are eager to fill with a conservative Trump nominee — elections be damned. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said he expects to confirm a replacement for the Justice Anthony Kennedy, who is retiring in July, by this fall.
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    Originally posted by @vivify
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/02/09/rand-paul-calls-out-hypocrisy-of-gop-in-the-trump-era/?utm_term=.a708b87c063c

    [b]Rand Paul calls out hypocrisy of GOP in the Trump era
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    Good for Rand Paul for bringing attention to it. Republicans have always had a double standard with the debt. Here is why I think that is. Cutting spending is a good way for a president to fail to get a second term. That is why I agree with Jimmy Carter's idea of only a 1 six year term.
    A lot of loyal democrats believed Obama was waiting for his second term to make the change he promised the American people. It never happened because Obama was never an agent of change like he claimed. Obama was actually more like a republican than a democrat on many issues. He continued the Bush tax cuts, hijacked the republican health care ideas and implemented the idea democrats used to hate, the individual mandate. Then they forgot all about that and fought for the republican idea and completely abandoned the single payer option. Then the republicans criticized there very own ideology once it became known as Obamacare.
    Second terms have been a serious let down, but I'm not convinced it will make much difference. There really does seem to be a conspiracy to spend our way into economic slavery. The corporate news media has no interest in talking about the national debt. It is as if they want to put younger generations into economic slavery. That seems to be the plan and both worthless major political parties are carrying out that plan.
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    04 Jul '18 12:421 edit
    Originally posted by @metal-brain
    Obama was never an agent of change like he claimed. Obama was actually more like a republican than a democrat on many issues. He continued the Bush tax cuts, hijacked the republican health care ideas and implemented the idea democrats used to hate, the individual mandate. Then they forgot all about that and fought for the republican idea and completely ...[text shortened]... tion. Then the republicans criticized there very own ideology once it became known as Obamacare.
    a) When did Dems "hate" the individual mandate?

    b) "Change" never meant being the opposite of Republicans; it meant approaching politics in a different, such as when Obama reached out to Republicans for their input into the Affordable Care Act so it would be a bi-partisan bill.

    Conservatives created a wave of partisan politics such that ANYTHING their opponents do, even if the idea came from Republicans like much of Obamacare, is painted in the absolute most evil light possible. Republicans used terms like "worst law since slavery" or "worst law in human history" to describe Obamacare, including Mitt Romney, Obamacare's original influence.

    Conservatives just seem to lack the ability to think on their own, and swallow any propaganda thrown by the right, even something as ridiculous as Obamacare being the "worst law in human history". The fact that they aren't the least bit fazed by plain-as-day hypocrisy in their own party , like with Mitt Romney, is shameful and tragic.
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    05 Jul '18 07:58
    Originally posted by @vivify
    a) When did Dems "hate" the individual mandate?

    b) "Change" never meant being the opposite of Republicans; it meant approaching politics in a different, such as when Obama reached out to Republicans for their input into the Affordable Care Act so it would be a bi-partisan bill.

    Conservatives created a wave of partisan politics such that ANYTHING thei ...[text shortened]... ed by plain-as-day hypocrisy in their own party , like with Mitt Romney, is shameful and tragic.
    I noticed that Democrats hated the individual mandate when Trump was against it even though it was unpopular with the American people. They accused Trump of trying to destroy the ACA by not enforcing the IM, a republican idea. The following link says it was Hitlery Clinton that turned against single payer because of Sanders.

    https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/03/single-payer-health-care-medicare-obamacare-sanders-clinton-democrats

    Obama didn't merely reach out to republicans for a bi-partisan bill, he gave the republicans what they always wanted. In other words, Obama caved in to the republicans as if he was one himself.

    Democrats are equally unable to think on their own and swallow any propaganda thrown by the left, even if it betrays everything they previously fought hard for. The hypocrisy is on both sides. Both sides were duped into supporting different positions, not only republicans as you would like others to believe.

    It is shameful and tragic for both fake parties that flip flopped and took opposite positions that betrayed their own party's previous positions. The establishment cleverly manipulated both sides to kill single payer. Democrats were the biggest losers. They lost their souls by defending the republican's position. Democrats were duped big time! Republicans can at least say they got what they wanted for all this time even though a lot of them were duped as well.
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    Originally posted by @metal-brain
    I noticed that Democrats hated the individual mandate when Trump was against it even though it was unpopular with the American people. They accused Trump of trying to destroy the ACA by not enforcing the IM, a republican idea. The following link says it was Hitlery Clinton that turned against single payer because of Sanders.

    https://www.jacobinmag.co ...[text shortened]... st say they got what they wanted for all this time even though a lot of them were duped as well.
    Republicans don't want single-payer because it would compete directly with insurance companies, forcing them to lower their costs. Republicans do the bidding of Big Business, which is why they attacked Obamacare as "the worst law in human history".

    This is also why Republicans attack socialism. Socialist policies like single-payer mean less money for Big Business. So conservative media outlets push propaganda about how any socialism will make us like Venezuela, while pretending they've never heard of countries like Sweden, Norway, etc.

    Simply put, had Romney been elected, Single-payer wouldn't have been pushed. His fellow Republicans would've convinced him to drop any part of Romneycare that competes with Big Business, and passed some alternate healthcare version.
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    Originally posted by @vivify
    Republicans don't want single-payer because it would compete directly with insurance companies, forcing them to lower their costs. Republicans do the bidding of Big Business, which is why they attacked Obamacare as "the worst law in human history".

    This is also why Republicans attack socialism. Socialist policies like single-payer mean less money for ...[text shortened]... art of Romneycare that competes with Big Business, and passed some alternate healthcare version.
    I agree with your cost analysis, but you still don't get it. Sure the republicans don't want single payer, but it is the establishment that doesn't allow you a choice. That is why Obamacare and Romneycare both had the individual mandate. The establishment had their puppet Obama essentially give you Romneycare under Obama. They were both puppets of the establishment.
    Sure the republicans attacked Obamacare as if they were never for it. What better way to get democrats to dig in and fight for the individual mandate? Most dems were fooled into thinking it was their idea they were defending. Little did most of them know that they were fighting for a republican ideology they were once against.
    This is an example of how the two party duopoly is effective at using partisan division to divide and conquer. The establishment cleverly had the republicans condemn their own idea once it was implemented by a democrat knowing the dems would fight for what they once opposed.
    The propagandists that control the corporate news media knew all they had to do is omit the information they didn't want you to know, you are fighting for a republican plan when you defend the ACA.

    Don't you feel manipulated? You got cheated out of single payer. We all did. Keep in mind John McCain was the deciding vote to prevent the individual mandate from being repealed under Trump even though he attacked Obamacare previously like many other republicans. He is another establishment puppet.
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    05 Jul '18 13:512 edits
    Originally posted by @metal-brain
    I agree with your cost analysis, but you still don't get it. Sure the republicans don't want single payer, but it is the establishment that doesn't allow you a choice. That is why Obamacare and Romneycare both had the individual mandate. The establishment had their puppet Obama essentially give you Romneycare under Obama. They were both puppets of the e ...[text shortened]... e attacked Obamacare previously like many other republicans. He is another establishment puppet.
    So you're saying....Republicans "fooled" Dems into passing Obamacare....with pretty much every single Republican voting against it....then launched a massive campaign saying it was the "worst law since slavery", and "the worst law in human history", shut down the government over Obamacare, then moved to vote to repeal it when Trump got elected.......because they actually wanted it in the first place?

    What are you smoking?

    Isn't the most likely answer simply that Republicans like Romney are self-serving hypocrites?
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