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  1. Zugzwang
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    10 Sep '15 02:38
    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/07/muslim-flight-attendant-suspending-refusing-sell-alcohol

    "Muslim flight attendant claims refusing to sell alcohol led to suspension"

    Charee Stanley, an American Muslim (convert), told her supervisor in June
    that her religion forbids her from serving alcohol as well as consuming it.
    The airline originally agreed to let her work on a schedule whereby other
    flight attendants would serve alcohol. But she was put on unpaid leave
    after another employee complained, allegedly motivated by anti-Muslim bigotry.

    Should the right-wing white American men here who have supported
    the claimed rights of Christians to disobey laws or regulations on account
    of their religious beliefs also lend similar support to Charee Stanley?
    Or will their bigotry against Islam and Muslims be more important to them?
  2. SubscriberKingDavid403
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    10 Sep '15 03:154 edits
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/07/muslim-flight-attendant-suspending-refusing-sell-alcohol

    "Muslim flight attendant claims refusing to sell alcohol led to suspension"

    Charee Stanley, an American Muslim (convert), told her supervisor in June
    that her religion forbids her from serving alcohol as well as consuming it.
    The airline origina ...[text shortened]... t to Charee Stanley?
    Or will their bigotry against Islam and Muslims be more important to them?
    Great post and question Duchess. I was thinking something similar the other day about this subject. If a stripper becomes a Christian, can they then legally refuse to take their cloths off but keep their job? Or, if a bartender becomes a Christian can they then legally refuse to serve alcohol but keep their job? The list could go on and on. 😴😴😴
    My response of course would be, no, they cannot keep their job if they refuse to do what the job requires. They will have to find a new job that does not conflict with their personal beliefs.
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    10 Sep '15 04:49
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/07/muslim-flight-attendant-suspending-refusing-sell-alcohol

    "Muslim flight attendant claims refusing to sell alcohol led to suspension"

    Charee Stanley, an American Muslim (convert), told her supervisor in June
    that her religion forbids her from serving alcohol as well as consuming it.
    The airline origina ...[text shortened]... t to Charee Stanley?
    Or will their bigotry against Islam and Muslims be more important to them?
    Two things are obvious:
    (1) no one should be able to keep their job if they refuse to fulfill their job responsibilities
    (2) Duchess is a bigot who is unable to understand or appreciate views which differ from her own and resorts to insults and name calling rather than discussing issues.
  4. Standard memberRJHinds
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    10 Sep '15 06:42
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/07/muslim-flight-attendant-suspending-refusing-sell-alcohol

    "Muslim flight attendant claims refusing to sell alcohol led to suspension"

    Charee Stanley, an American Muslim (convert), told her supervisor in June
    that her religion forbids her from serving alcohol as well as consuming it.
    The airline origina ...[text shortened]... t to Charee Stanley?
    Or will their bigotry against Islam and Muslims be more important to them?
    The employer pays the salary and has a right to change the rules of the job and demand the employees follow the new rules. If one does not agree with those rules then the employer should have the option of dismissing the employee and paying the employee unemployment insurance.
  5. Subscriberno1marauder
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    10 Sep '15 07:09
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    The employer pays the salary and has a right to change the rules of the job and demand the employees follow the new rules. If one does not agree with those rules then the employer should have the option of dismissing the employee and paying the employee unemployment insurance.
    Tell that to Mike Huckabee.
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    10 Sep '15 08:01
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/07/muslim-flight-attendant-suspending-refusing-sell-alcohol

    "Muslim flight attendant claims refusing to sell alcohol led to suspension"

    Charee Stanley, an American Muslim (convert), told her supervisor in June
    that her religion forbids her from serving alcohol as well as consuming it.
    The airline origina ...[text shortened]... t to Charee Stanley?
    Or will their bigotry against Islam and Muslims be more important to them?
    but she had no problem getting a job in a place where alcohol is served.


    to answer your question: yes, a religious person hired to serve alcohol must serve alcohol. or be fired
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    10 Sep '15 08:02
    don't know if anyone pointed this out, but the marriage license clerk from kentucky who refused to issue marriage license to gays because they offend her view of marriage was divorced 3 times and in her fourth marriage
  8. Standard memberRJHinds
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    10 Sep '15 09:261 edit
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Tell that to Mike Huckabee.
    You are ignorant and do not understand that elected officials are not private employees. Governor Mike Huckabee is informed of that fact. 😏
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    10 Sep '15 09:281 edit
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    don't know if anyone pointed this out, but the marriage license clerk from kentucky who refused to issue marriage license to gays because they offend her view of marriage was divorced 3 times and in her fourth marriage
    Why should anyone care about her divorces? Surely not left wing liberal Democrats. 😏
  10. Subscriberno1marauder
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    10 Sep '15 12:08
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    You are ignorant and do not understand that elected officials are not private employees. Governor Mike Huckabee is informed of that fact. 😏
    You calling someone else "ignorant" is self-parody.

    A government official is an employee of the governmental unit they work for. Therefore, they are required to abide by the rules of that governmental unit just like any other employee.
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    10 Sep '15 12:362 edits
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    but she had no problem getting a job in a place where alcohol is served.


    to answer your question: yes, a religious person hired to serve alcohol must serve alcohol. or be fired
    What about this one.

    Do they have to sell alcohol to gay people?

    ._.wait, wait, not so fast._.

    Do they have to sell alcohol to gay people that looked at them funny ?

    Bet that one got you bamboozled huh, airhotesses just want to be treated normally without the funny looks.
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    10 Sep '15 12:55
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Why should anyone care about her divorces? Surely not left wing liberal Democrats. 😏
    just a fun little fact. someone complaining about gays threatening the sanctity of marriage went through divorce 3 times.
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    10 Sep '15 14:521 edit
    It's really a question as to whether serving alcohol is a central component of the job of an FA. Employers can and often are required to make reasonable accommodations for religious beliefs, but that doesn't mean they have to hire someone who can't or won't do the job. I obviously can't go get a job at McDonald's and then claim I can't serve cheeseburgers because they're not kosher. Or, I can, but then they have every right to fire me.

    I think that serving alcohol is a pretty important component of an FA's job and so I'd take the airline's side here.
  14. Standard memberRJHinds
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    10 Sep '15 18:034 edits
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    You calling someone else "ignorant" is self-parody.

    A government official is an employee of the governmental unit they work for. Therefore, they are required to abide by the rules of that governmental unit just like any other employee.
    It is not my fault that you were ignornant that elected officials can not be fired. Only government employees that are hired or appointed to positions can be fired at a moments notice. You must be a prodiuct of poor government schools to not know that. California surfer dude? 😏

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  15. Subscriberno1marauder
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    10 Sep '15 19:35
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    It is not my fault that you were ignornant that elected officials can not be fired. Only government employees that are hired or appointed to positions can be fired at a moments notice. You must be a prodiuct of poor government schools to not know that. California surfer dude? 😏

    The Near Genius
    Apparently they can go to jail for not following the law though.
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