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  1. SubscriberAThousandYoung
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    06 Jun '18 04:00
    Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
    Apparently the duchess thought it very important and went to great lengths to give credit to Cortes. The net-net is the Mexican bloodline has been changed forever. My dark-skinned Mexican wife has a white-skinned sister, thanks to duchess' hero, Cortes.

    Should we join duchess and applaud Cortes' efforts in forcibly intermixing white-skinned European ...[text shortened]... ong as it results in more people having white skin, the ends justify the means. Right, duchess?
    It was not forcible! Doña Marina was Cortes ALLY and LOVER.
  2. Seongnam, S. Korea
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    06 Jun '18 04:04
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    Philokalia has overlooked that I wrote in my original post:
    "The victory of Hernan Cortes was far from a foregone conclusion."
    Hiow many times need I reiterate it?
    Duchess has forgotten what he has written:

    My general point is that Spanish conquest of Mexico was not a foregone
    conclusion and depended upon several factors that do NOT confirm a
    notion that the Spanish were superior to the natives in every way.


    I addressed your general point.

    Now you seem to be angry.

    I'm sorry if I have caused you grief.

    YET... Perhaps the nature of your posting, which generally seeks to cause grief among others, tends to produce these situations...

    And anything which causes grief to you, and may cause you to amend your ways, can be thought of as a 'good grief.'
  3. Zugzwang
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    06 Jun '18 04:15
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    Duchess has forgotten what he has written:

    My general point is that Spanish conquest of Mexico was not a foregone
    conclusion and depended upon several factors that do NOT confirm a
    notion that the Spanish were superior to the natives in every way.


    I addressed your general point.

    Now you seem to be angry.

    I'm sorry if I have ...[text shortened]... causes grief to you, and may cause you to amend your ways, can be thought of as a 'good grief.'
    The troll Philokalia (at best) attempts an absurd argument that my
    writing of Cortes's victory in Mexico has a fundamentally different
    meaning from my writing of the Spanish conquest of Mexico.

    Is Philokalia that illiterate, that dishonest, or both?
  4. Zugzwang
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    06 Jun '18 04:232 edits
    Originally posted by @athousandyoung to Tom Wolsey
    It was not forcible! Doña Marina was Cortes ALLY and LOVER.
    But she was originally given as a slave to the Spanish.
    She may have genuinely loved and cared for Cortes.
    If she did not, she had no power to stop him from sleeping with her.

    In a relationship with such great disparity in power, it's hard to be detrain
    of how consensual it was. She may have felt it was better to be the
    mistress of the Spanish leader rather than of his subordinate.
  5. SubscriberTom Wolsey
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    06 Jun '18 04:41
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    And anything which causes grief to you, and may cause you to amend your ways, can be thought of as a 'good grief.'
    A Charlie Brown reference in a thread aimed at applauding the introduction of white DNA into the Mexican genome. Well played, my good sir.
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