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  1. 25 Apr '11 19:41
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13185185

    Syria's army has advanced into the southern city of Deraa, using tanks to support troops amid an intensified effort to curb popular protests.

    "One activist was quoted as saying that security forces were "firing in all directions", and at least five people were reportedly killed.

    Witnesses also said security forces had opened fire in a suburb of Damascus.

    A prominent human rights campaigner said President Bashar al-Assad had launched a "savage war" on protesters.
    "

    .......

    Strange how despite adopting Gaddafi-like tactics of political repression the Syrian government still hasn't received the level of condemnation Libya received by the West when it dealt with its own protesters. I wonder whether such manifestations of authoritarianism will lead Britain, France, and the US into pressing for another UN-approved intervention, surely that will be the case if they truly seek to ensure the safety of civilians, if not it will only be a sign of their duplicity and hypocrisy.
  2. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    25 Apr '11 19:57
    Originally posted by generalissimo
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13185185

    [b]Syria's army has advanced into the southern city of Deraa, using tanks to support troops amid an intensified effort to curb popular protests.


    [i]"One activist was quoted as saying that security forces were "firing in all directions", and at least five people were reportedly killed.

    Wi ...[text shortened]... the safety of civilians, if not it will only be a sign of their duplicity and hypocrisy.[/b]
    No support from the Arab League for this one because the dictator is an Arab.
  3. Standard member Bosse de Nage
    Zellulärer Automat
    25 Apr '11 20:00
    It took the USA, France and Britain a long time to wake up to Libya and it was touch and go. Also no Syrian cities have requested intervention. Some hope that Syrians can go the Yemen route -- without taking up arms (except for isolated incidents). That depends on how brutal Assad Inc intends to be. Indications are: very. After all there is the precedent of Assad Sr's Hama massacre.

    Assad is of course using the same excuses of international conspiracy and the need to suppress religious extremism. Recall early in Libyan story, talk of efforts to establish a 'Caliphate' in Derna -- now same being said of Daraa, Syria. But no, time to put the Islamist bogeyman back in the cupboard.
  4. Standard member Bosse de Nage
    Zellulärer Automat
    25 Apr '11 20:02
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    No support from the Arab League for this one because the dictator is an Arab.
    And Gaddafi is not an Arab ... ? Of course Syria didn't support the Arab League stance towards Libya because Assad was planning to do a Gaddafi. Just like his Dad.
  5. Standard member Bosse de Nage
    Zellulärer Automat
    25 Apr '11 20:02
    It would be in the height of bad taste to use Syria's troubles as pretext to grandstand about 'the hypocrisy of the West'.
  6. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    25 Apr '11 20:04 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    And Gaddafi is not an Arab ... ? Of course Syria didn't support the Arab League stance towards Libya because Assad was planning to do a Gaddafi. Just like his Dad.
    Gaddafi's a Berber.

    EDIT - Sorry, his power base may or may not be the Berbers, even if he is one himself it looks like he doesn't like them and terrorizes them. His power base is in Central-West Africa, not the middle East.
  7. Standard member Bosse de Nage
    Zellulärer Automat
    25 Apr '11 20:08 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Gaddafi's a Berber.
    You're mistaken. And Gaddafi has made a point of oppressing Amazigh (Berber) culture -- outlawing the language(s), economically marginalising them, etc. Also, note that Gaddafi's name for Libya is the Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya.

    -- Saw your edit. But you're barking up the wrong tree with that one. One way that Gaddafi has influence in Syria now, though -- the longer it takes to dislodge him, the larger the window of opportunity for Assad.
  8. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    25 Apr '11 20:14 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    You're mistaken. And Gaddafi has made a point of oppressing Amazigh (Berber) culture -- outlawing the language(s), economically marginalising them, etc. Also, note that Gaddafi's name for Libya is the Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya.

    -- Saw your edit. But you're barking up the wrong tree with that one. One way that Gaddafi has influ ...[text shortened]... ough -- the longer it takes to dislodge him, the larger the window of opportunity for Assad.
    I think Libya is an Arab state because part of it or most of it is made up of Arabs. Also, there are Romans, and there are Romans. There were "Roman" native Britons once upon a time who probably never even got near the Alps or Spain much less Rome.

    Libya is not Arabia.
  9. Standard member Bosse de Nage
    Zellulärer Automat
    25 Apr '11 20:17
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung

    Libya is not Arabia.
    True.
  10. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    25 Apr '11 22:37 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    You're mistaken. And Gaddafi has made a point of oppressing Amazigh (Berber) culture -- outlawing the language(s), economically marginalising them, etc. Also, note that Gaddafi's name for Libya is the Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya.

    -- Saw your edit. But you're barking up the wrong tree with that one. One way that Gaddafi has influ ...[text shortened]... ough -- the longer it takes to dislodge him, the larger the window of opportunity for Assad.
    Wiki says Gaddafi is a member of the Qadhadhfa which it describes as "arabized Berbers". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi
  11. 26 Apr '11 02:42 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    [b]It took the USA, France and Britain a long time to wake up to Libya and it was touch and go. Also no Syrian cities have requested intervention.
    That's right. Someone must first find the number to the White House and yell, "Help us!!", before Barak sends the Tomahawks. Otherwise its just assumed that they prefer to die in peace.
  12. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    26 Apr '11 05:37 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    That's right. Someone must first find the number to the White House and yell, "Help us!!", before Barak sends the Tomahawks. Otherwise its just assumed that they prefer to die in peace.
    When your capacity to export oil and your known oil reserves are 11.5 times and 18 times smaller than that of Libya respectively, maybe your call gets rejected by the Whitehouse switch's nuisance filter.....

    source- CIA-World Factbook.

    Libya exports 1.542 million bbl/day with proven reserves of 47 billion bbl
    Syria exports 155,000 bbl/day with proven reserves of 2.5 billion bbl
  13. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    26 Apr '11 06:49
    Originally posted by kmax87
    When your capacity to export oil and your known oil reserves are 11.5 times and 18 times smaller than that of Libya respectively, maybe your call gets rejected by the Whitehouse switch's nuisance filter.....

    source- CIA-World Factbook.

    Libya exports 1.542 million bbl/day with proven reserves of 47 billion bbl
    Syria exports 155,000 bbl/day with proven reserves of 2.5 billion bbl
    I exaggerated the size differential between Syria and Libya a bit. Its capacity to export oil is only 9.9 times smaller, not 11.5 as previously stated.

    The previous post should read:-

    When your capacity to export oil and your known oil reserves are 9.9 times and 18.5 times smaller than that of Libya respectively, maybe your call gets rejected by the Whitehouse switch's nuisance filter.....

    source- CIA-World Factbook.

    Libya exports 1.542 million bbl/day with proven reserves of 47 billion bbl
    Syria exports 155,000 bbl/day with proven reserves of 2.5 billion bbl
  14. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    26 Apr '11 07:32
    Originally posted by kmax87
    I exaggerated the size differential between Syria and Libya a bit. Its capacity to export oil is only 9.9 times smaller, not 11.5 as previously stated.

    The previous post should read:-

    When your capacity to export oil and your known oil reserves are [b]9.9
    times and 18.5 times smaller than that of Libya respectively, maybe your call gets rejec ...[text shortened]... serves of 47 billion bbl
    Syria exports 155,000 bbl/day with proven reserves of 2.5 billion bbl[/b]
    While you're fluffing around making corrections IMHO you should also turn the figures around so it reads something like 'Libyas capacity is 9.9 times that of Syria.'
    Or, express it as a percentage i.e. 'Syrias capacity is only 9.9% of Libyas', or a fraction i.e. 'Syrias capacity is only 1/10th of Libyas'.

    This '9.9 times smaller' thing doesn't gel. If you must stick with it try:

    "When your capacity to export oil and your known oil reserves are .099 times and .185 times that of Libya ...blah blah."
  15. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    26 Apr '11 08:10
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    While you're fluffing around making corrections IMHO you should also turn the figures around so it reads something like 'Libyas capacity is 9.9 times that of Syria.'
    Or, express it as a percentage i.e. 'Syrias capacity is only 9.9% of Libyas', or a fraction i.e. 'Syrias capacity is only 1/10th of Libyas'.

    This '9.9 times smaller' thing doesn't gel. If you ...[text shortened]... d your known oil reserves are .099 times and .185 times that of Libya ...blah blah."
    Point taken....The x times smaller label didn't quite have that tabloid attention grabbing impact I had hoped for. I think the opposite approach as you suggest is better...

    So here goes:-

    ......maybe if its export capacity was 9.9 times greater like Libya or its proven reserves were 18 times greater, like Libya, then maybe the US would give a stuff about democracy in Syria!....