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    14 Jul '17 15:55
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    In the history of man it has never been easier to live independently or as part of voluntary collectives. To live "The Good Life". The main hinderance is the ever expanding state, not that corporations have made things easy for us.
    I'd say the main hindrance to living "The Good Life". is our genetic predisposition of some of us, to take from others what is not our right to take. Once we have reached a financially secure position that makes amassing more wealth merely a way of keeping score, it's time to give back.
  2. Standard memberfinnegan
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    14 Jul '17 16:07
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Your ilk wants companies to import workers to undermine pay. You are a pathetic lot,useful tools for big business.
    On the contrary, my lot wants to regulate employment practices, impose minimal pay and conditions standards and facilitate trades unions to protect the rights of workers.

    That said, I was merely pointing out to you that what you are applauding is precisely state intervention and the priority of worker rights over those of employers. You are logically incoherent. That means - talking rubbish as always.

    As it happens, the fly in this particular ointment is that there is no evidence that local labour will in reality fill the gaps created by Trump's policies. But you guys don't look for evidence when forming policies. It can all be inferred from scripture or your Neoliberal cookbook.
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    17 Jul '17 01:16
    Originally posted by finnegan
    On the contrary, my lot wants to regulate employment practices, impose minimal pay and conditions standards and facilitate trades unions to protect the rights of workers.

    That said, I was merely pointing out to you that what you are applauding is precisely state intervention and the priority of worker rights over those of employers. You are logically i ...[text shortened]... idence when forming policies. It can all be inferred from scripture or your Neoliberal cookbook.
    You mean that people will not work?

    Typical liberal hogwash.
  4. Standard memberfinnegan
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    17 Jul '17 09:36
    Originally posted by Eladar
    You mean that people will not work?

    Typical liberal hogwash.
    https://poverty.ucdavis.edu/faq/who-are-working-poor-america
    According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, about 9.5 million of people who spent at least 27 weeks in the labor force were poor. That year, the working poor comprised 6.3 percent of all individuals in the labor force.

    The majority of the people who live below the poverty level do not work, but this includes children, the elderly and the disabled poor...

    In 2014, 82 percent of the working poor who usually worked full time experienced at least one of the major labor market problems, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Low earnings continued to be the most common problem, with 67 percent subject to low earnings, either as the major problem or in combination with other labor market problems.

    Whether employment status reflects supply or demand factors remains a question. Poverty is substantially higher in states where wages at the bottom of the distribution are lowest. Poverty rates are nearly five percentage points higher in the lowest-wage states compared to states with wages in the middle.


    and in the UK: https://www.jrf.org.uk/press/work-poverty-hits-record-high-housing-crisis-fuels-insecurity

    One in every eight workers in the UK - 3.8 million people - is now living in poverty. A total of 7.4 million people, including 2.6 million children, are in poverty despite being in a working family. This means that a record high of 55 per cent of people in poverty are in working households.
  5. Subscribersonhouse
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    17 Jul '17 09:58
    Originally posted by Eladar
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/13/shortage-of-foreign-labor-forces-maine-businesses-to-hire-local-workers/

    Hope and the right kind of change.
    So who will fill the jobs in the west picking fruit and such? Uppity white men won't do the work, they don't want to get dirty. If you don't think that is a problem do a google on farming in Oregan and such. Crops are rottening in the fields because of lack of workers. The sad part is it isn't even the repressive Trump regime doing it. The workers from Mexico have found they can have just a good a life in Mexico so left the US to work there.

    So will you volunteer to pick all that fruit? Thought not.
  6. Standard memberfinnegan
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    17 Jul '17 10:38
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    So who will fill the jobs in the west picking fruit and such? Uppity white men won't do the work, they don't want to get dirty. If you don't think that is a problem do a google on farming in Oregan and such. Crops are rottening in the fields because of lack of workers. The sad part is it isn't even the repressive Trump regime doing it. The workers from Mexi ...[text shortened]... xico so left the US to work there.

    So will you volunteer to pick all that fruit? Thought not.
    Same problem building up fast in the UK. The exact same right wing idiotcracy at work. The solution is not blocking migration and not continuing to offer workers disgusting conditions.
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