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  1. Standard member vivify
    rain
    22 May '17 14:07
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-exhausted-skipped-saudi-arabia-forum-social-media-sends-ivanka-trump-israel-a7748546.html

    Donald Trump drops out of Saudi Arabia event due to 'exhaustion'
    President sent his daughter in his place to youth forum on combating terrorism on social media


    Donald Trump was “exhausted” during his first trip overseas as President and asked his daughter to attend a scheduled event in his place.

    On the stage of the youth forum in the evening, Fox News anchor Bret Baier announced that the President would not attend the event, but there would be a "surprise guest" - his daughter.

    Ms Trump gave a three-minute speech in his place, thanking the Saudi royals for their hospitality.

    It was the second time in a week that the 35-year-old had stepped in to replace the President, after leading a White House meeting on human trafficking with members of Congress while her father was giving a commencement address for the US Coast Guard Academy.
  2. 22 May '17 14:08
    Originally posted by vivify
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-exhausted-skipped-saudi-arabia-forum-social-media-sends-ivanka-trump-israel-a7748546.html

    [b]Donald Trump drops out of Saudi Arabia event due to 'exhaustion'
    President sent his daughter in his place to youth forum on combating terrorism on social media


    Donald Trump was “exhausted” during ...[text shortened]... s of Congress while her father was giving a commencement address for the US Coast Guard Academy.[/b]
    Send a woman to talk to a bunch of Muslim head of state types?

    That should go over well.
  3. Standard member vivify
    rain
    22 May '17 14:22
    First, Ivanka moves into the White House. No big deal, right?
    Second, Ivanka gets a non-paid government position. No big deal, right?
    Third, Ivanka starts getting classified information. No big deal, right?
    Fourth, Ivanka starts making speeches that were supposed to be made the President. Still no big deal, huh?

    Do I really need to fill on the blanks here? Why aren't the conspiracy-theory-addicted conservatives saying anything here? If Obama's daughter was gradually being given more and more power and responsibility, that now includes speaking for the president, wouldn't the right flip out of their minds? That's in addition to Ivanka's husband being tasked with everything from Criminal justice reform to government reform to handling the mid-east crisis.

    This bears repeating: Ivanka is now speaking in the President's place. Say hello to Ivanka: 2024.
  4. Subscriber Ponderable
    chemist
    22 May '17 18:33
    Originally posted by vivify


    This bears repeating: Ivanka is now speaking in the President's place. Say hello to Ivanka: 2024.
    Say 2020...her father might be exhausted...
  5. 22 May '17 18:36
    Originally posted by vivify
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-exhausted-skipped-saudi-arabia-forum-social-media-sends-ivanka-trump-israel-a7748546.html

    [b]Donald Trump drops out of Saudi Arabia event due to 'exhaustion'
    President sent his daughter in his place to youth forum on combating terrorism on social media


    Donald Trump was “exhausted” during ...[text shortened]... s of Congress while her father was giving a commencement address for the US Coast Guard Academy.[/b]
    Is this any different than JFK using Robert Kennedy? Presidents often rely on family member as they are people they feel they can trust. There are plenty of reasons to criticize trust but this isn't one of them.
  6. Standard member vivify
    rain
    22 May '17 19:24
    Originally posted by quackquack
    Is this any different than JFK using Robert Kennedy? Presidents often rely on family member as they are people they feel they can trust. There are plenty of reasons to criticize trust but this isn't one of them.
    a) You had to go back 53 years for that
    b) Bobby Kennedy had political experience before his brother was elected.
    c) Unlike Trump, it wasn't just one family member: Trump involved Ivanka, Kushner, and both of his sons (none of whom have any political experience).

    RFK and Ivanka are far from comparable. At least with the Bush family, the family members they endorsed had political experience: Bush Sr. endorsed Bush Jr., who was governor of Texas, Bush Jr., who became President, endorsed his brother, who was also a governor. I've never had a problem with this.

    But elevating someone with zero experience to a White House position just because that person's related? That's shameful.
  7. 22 May '17 19:37
    Originally posted by vivify
    a) You had to go back 53 years for that
    b) Bobby Kennedy had political experience [b]before
    his brother was elected.
    c) Unlike Trump, it wasn't just one family member: Trump involved Ivanka, Kushner, and both of his sons (none of whom have any political experience).

    RFK and Ivanka are far from comparable. At least with the Bush family, the family ...[text shortened]... zero experience to a White House position just because that person's related? That's shameful.[/b]
    I just used someone who was famous and who you would respect.

    If he wants to use his daughter to do a meet and greet job (what you described), it certainly seems fine to me. No one would care if anyone other than Trump did this because this event simply does not matter. It seems that Trump gets more coverage (good and bad) from non-events than anyone else who ever walked on this planet.
  8. Standard member vivify
    rain
    22 May '17 19:46
    Originally posted by quackquack
    I just used someone who was famous and who you would respect.

    If he wants to use his daughter to do a meet and greet job (what you described), it certainly seems fine to me. No one would care if anyone other than Trump did this because this event simply does not matter. It seems that Trump gets more coverage (good and bad) from non-events than anyone else who ever walked on this planet.
    You do realize that Ivanka is now privy to classified government information, right? And that she also has an official position in the White House, right? Her speaking for the president is much significant, given the increasing responsibility she's being given. She has openly said she gives the president her input on political matters. Ivanka has unearned political power, and that immoral.
  9. 22 May '17 20:17
    Originally posted by vivify to Quackquack
    a) You had to go back 53 years for that
    b) Bobby Kennedy had political experience [b]before
    his brother was elected.
    c) Unlike Trump, it wasn't just one family member: Trump involved Ivanka, Kushner, and both of his sons (none of whom have any political experience).

    RFK and Ivanka are far from comparable. At least with the Bush famil ...[text shortened]... zero experience to a White House position just because that person's related? That's shameful.[/b]
    "After winning the 1960 presidential election, President-elect John F. Kennedy appointed
    his younger brother Attorney General. The choice was controversial, with The New York Times
    and The New Republic calling Robert inexperienced and unqualified. He had no experience
    in any state or federal court,[87] causing the President to joke, "I can't see that it's wrong
    to give him a little legal experience before he goes out to practice law."[88] However, Kennedy
    did have significant experience in studying and fighting organized crime.

    According to Bobby Baker, the Senate Majority Secretary and a protégé of Lyndon Johnson,
    President-elect Kennedy did not want to name his brother as Attorney General.
    However, their father overruled the President-elect."
    --Wikipedia
  10. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    22 May '17 20:20
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    "After winning the 1960 presidential election, President-elect John F. Kennedy appointed
    his younger brother Attorney General. The choice was controversial, with The New York Times
    and The New Republic calling Robert inexperienced and unqualified. He had no experience
    in any state or federal court,[87] causing the President to joke, "I can't see that i ...[text shortened]... other as Attorney General.
    However, their father overruled the President-elect."
    --Wikipedia
    Robert Kennedy was confirmed by the US Senate to the cabinet post of Attorney General.

    Who confirmed Ivanka Trump?
  11. 22 May '17 20:26
    Originally posted by vivify
    First, Ivanka moves into the White House. No big deal, right?
    Second, Ivanka gets a non-paid government position. No big deal, right?
    Third, Ivanka starts getting classified information. No big deal, right?
    Fourth, Ivanka starts making speeches that were supposed to be made the President. Still no big deal, huh?

    Do I really need to fill on the bla ...[text shortened]... s repeating: Ivanka is now speaking in the President's place. Say hello to Ivanka: 2024.
    Ivanka also rewrote Trump's executive order concerning Christian's right to do business based on conscience. She turned it into a repeal of the Johnson amendment.
  12. 22 May '17 20:43
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Robert Kennedy was confirmed by the US Senate to the cabinet post of Attorney General.
    Who confirmed Ivanka Trump?
    I simply cited some facts that seemed useful in this discussion or debate.

    I certainly was *not* supporting Quackquack's comparison of RFK and Ivanka Trump.
    I believe that Ivanka Trump's much less qualified than RFK to hold a high position in government.
  13. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    23 May '17 02:57
    At the end of the day, Trump could care less at this point. He already scored all the trading concessions he needs for himself and Ivanka's brands from the Chinese. From this point onwards it's all cream. If at any point in time the going gets too tough, he will simply resign, with the future of his business interests and that of his progeny assured.
  14. 23 May '17 12:22
    Originally posted by vivify
    You do realize that Ivanka is now privy to classified government information, right? And that she also has an official position in the White House, right? Her speaking for the president is much significant, given the increasing responsibility she's being given. She has openly said she gives the president her input on political matters. Ivanka has unearned political power, and that immoral.
    Your position is simply ridiculous. Trump won the election and he can pick people who work with him. No one earns power and it certainly isn't a moral issue.
  15. Standard member vivify
    rain
    23 May '17 13:10
    Originally posted by quackquack
    Your position is simply ridiculous. Trump won the election and he can pick people who work with him. No one earns power and it certainly isn't a moral issue.
    Of course it's a moral issue. Why do you think we don't have a monarchy in this country? The Founders wanted the opposite of England's rule through family succession. When people are given political power and classified information for no other reason than family ties, that is indeed wrong, and is a step backward toward what the Founders were trying to get away from.