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    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/elizabeth-warren-wall-street-vice-president-224489

    NEW YORK — Big Wall Street donors have a message for Hillary Clinton: Keep Elizabeth Warren off the ticket or risk losing millions of dollars in contributions.
    In a dozen interviews, major Democratic donors in the financial services industry said they saw little chance that Clinton would pick the liberal firebrand as her vice presidential nominee. These donors despise Warren’s attacks on the financial industry. But they also think her selection would be damaging to the economy. And they warned that if Clinton surprises them and taps Warren, big donations from the industry could vanish.

    “If Clinton picked Warren, her whole base on Wall Street would leave her,” said one top Democratic donor who has helped raise millions for Clinton. “They would literally just say, ‘We have no qualms with you moving left, we understand all the things you’ve had to do because of Bernie Sanders, but if you are going there with Warren, we just can’t trust you, you’ve killed it.’”
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    21 Jun '16 15:10
    Seems like an unlikely pick anyway. Trump already does the job of energizing the liberal base for Clinton; she would be better off picking someone that makes the ticket more appealing for independents.
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    21 Jun '16 15:33
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Seems like an unlikely pick anyway. Trump already does the job of energizing the liberal base for Clinton; she would be better off picking someone that makes the ticket more appealing for independents.
    While that's true, the main issue is Wall Street's power over Hillary. If they have such say over who she picks for VP, there's no telling how they may manipulate her when she's in office. Obviously, she'll seek reelection and will need Wall Street's help again.
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    21 Jun '16 18:59
    Hillary says she will stand up to Wall Street, this from a woman who's son in law is a hedge bund manager.

    Hilarious.
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    21 Jun '16 19:12
    Originally posted by whodey
    Hillary says she will stand up to Wall Street, this from a woman who's son in law is a hedge bund manager.

    Hilarious.
    My goodness do you think she was paid 11 million dollars in 2014 and the first quarter of 2015 by banks and financial institutions to tell them she was gonna reel them in?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/26/the-new-york-times-just-perfectly-explained-why-hillary-clintons-answers-on-her-paid-speeches-dont-work/
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    22 Jun '16 09:31
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    My goodness do you think she was paid 11 million dollars in 2014 and the first quarter of 2015 by banks and financial institutions to tell them she was gonna reel them in?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/26/the-new-york-times-just-perfectly-explained-why-hillary-clintons-answers-on-her-paid-speeches-dont-work/
    Now I remember who you remind me of.

    Governor Chris "I-must-have-left-my-testicles-in-Mr.-Trump's-other-suit" Christie
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    22 Jun '16 10:41
    Originally posted by vivify
    While that's true, the main issue is Wall Street's power over Hillary. If they have such say over who she picks for VP, there's no telling how they may manipulate her when she's in office. Obviously, she'll seek reelection and will need Wall Street's help again.
    it isn't yet definite who she will pick. she must make the choice between wall street millions and a ton of sanders supporters. if she isn't cowardly and stupid, she will choose the latter. sanders supporters count for much more than wall street millions and they will count even more next election. picking warren will switch many from staying at home to voting for her and the young demographic uses the internet more than CNN or MSNBC, she doesn't need to buy screen time from them.


    that being said, clinton has proven again and again she is both cowardly and stupid.
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    22 Jun '16 12:04
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    it isn't yet definite who she will pick. she must make the choice between wall street millions and a ton of sanders supporters. if she isn't cowardly and stupid, she will choose the latter. sanders supporters count for much more than wall street millions and they will count even more next election. picking warren will switch many from staying at home to vot ...[text shortened]... them.


    that being said, clinton has proven again and again she is both cowardly and stupid.
    Actually, if Clinton is smart she will pick someone who Wall Street supports. Sanders supports have to vote for anyway because she is the closest to their ideals and despite your your implications to the contrary Wall Street is an asset which this country should encourage to flourish.
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    22 Jun '16 12:10
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Now I remember who you remind me of.

    Governor Chris "I-must-have-left-my-testicles-in-Mr.-Trump's-other-suit" Christie
    This is not the first time that you have FAILED to discern that a critic of Mrs Clinton may not necessarily be a supporter of Mr Trump. She is what she is, a Wall St shill.
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    22 Jun '16 12:18
    Originally posted by quackquack
    Actually, if Clinton is smart she will pick someone who Wall Street supports. Sanders supports have to vote for anyway because she is the closest to their ideals and despite your your implications to the contrary Wall Street is an asset which this country should encourage to flourish.
    "Sanders supports have to vote for anyway"
    will people ever stop saying this? nobody has to do jack. in november, sanders supporters will do what every citizen of every democratic country has done since the dawn of democracy if there are two candidates they don't like : anything but voting.

    it is not the duty of sanders supporters to make sure trump isn't elected. If trump does get elected, it would be clinton's fault for not convincing sanders supporters she is worth supporting, it will be the democratic party's fault for supporting a candidate who loses to trump in every single poll and it will be the republican party's fault for getting behind a known racist and not having the spine to say "he is racist, a horrible human being and we would rather lose the presidency again rather than support him".

    if they would have the guts to say that, i believe they would win again the majority and a trump presidency would be of little impact.


    "Wall Street is an asset which this country should encourage to flourish"
    wall street is a bunch of intestinal worms eating your country, getting fat at the expense of 99%.
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    22 Jun '16 12:34
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    "Sanders supports have to vote for anyway"
    will people ever stop saying this? nobody has to do jack. in november, sanders supporters will do what every citizen of every democratic country has done since the dawn of democracy if there are two candidates they don't like : anything but voting.

    it is not the duty of sanders supporters to make sure trump i ...[text shortened]... ll street is a bunch of intestinal worms eating your country, getting fat at the expense of 99%.
    As much as would like it to be true, the views you express do not reflect what Sanders reporters will do. Virtually everyone picks the candidate who best represents them and Sanders supporters will overwhelming choose Clinton.
    Wall Street is essential part of the World's economy. Rather than demonize a job making, money producing institution we should create a system of rules where our industries can flourish.
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    22 Jun '16 13:02
    Originally posted by quackquack
    As much as would like it to be true, the views you express do not reflect what Sanders reporters will do. Virtually everyone picks the candidate who best represents them and Sanders supporters will overwhelming choose Clinton.
    Wall Street is essential part of the World's economy. Rather than demonize a job making, money producing institution we should create a system of rules where our industries can flourish.
    "As much as would like it to be true, the views you express do not reflect what Sanders reporters will do."
    do you have a study that supports this? that most sanders supporters will vote clinton? (i am sure not even you will say "overwhelmingly"😉. the "bernie or bust" movement is not a couple of students throwing a tantrum. there are also a significant number of people who will vote for stein or johnson rather than clinton. a poll made by washington post says there are as many as 20% of sanders supporters switching to trump rather than clinton.

    polls are all over the place which makes it clear that "sanders supporters switching to clinton" is NOT a given and will depend greatly on clinton managing to convince them.

    To claim that clinton has the sanders supporters in the bag is to be incredibly ignorant.

    "Virtually everyone picks the candidate who best represents them and Sanders supporters will overwhelming choose Clinton."
    well, i guess you do in fact use "overwhelmingly"

    the fact that many people stay at home whenever elections come proves your statement is not true. people pick the candidate that represents them and if no such candidate exists they will stay home.
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    22 Jun '16 13:13
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/10/sanders-supporters-prefer-clinton-to-trump-exclusive-poll
    if you read this, past the very nice looking "sanders supporters prefer clinton to trump", you will see this more detailed paragraph:

    “Of those who vote for Sanders when Sanders’ name appears on the ballot, 13% say they will stay home if Sanders name is not on the ballot, 41% vote for Clinton, 15% vote for Johnson, 11% vote for Stein, and 7% defect to Drumpf,” writes the polling company."

    http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-06-22/nearly-half-of-sanders-supporters-won-t-support-clinton
    this one is more optimistic: 55% of sanders supporters will vote for clinton, 22% will vote for trump and 18% for johnson. i don't see how many will stay at home, i guess that wasn't presented as an option in the poll.



    the point is, Clinton doesn't have the sanders supporters (at best not yet, at worse not ever) and it would be political suicide for her to not do anything about it.
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    22 Jun '16 13:191 edit
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/10/sanders-supporters-prefer-clinton-to-trump-exclusive-poll
    if you read this, past the very nice looking "sanders supporters prefer clinton to trump", you will see this more detailed paragraph:

    “Of those who vote for Sanders when Sanders’ name appears on the ballot, 13% say they will stay home if Sanders nam ...[text shortened]... yet, at worse not ever) and it would be political suicide for her to not do anything about it.
    Polls reflect peoples idealism. When voting people are far more practical. Only a moron stays home because the exact candidate isn't there. Clinton would be far better served moving to the right and appealing to moderates than moving to the left and narrowing the group of people who find her ideal palatable.
    Plus as a New York Senator Clinton understands that the World financial markets are assets, they provide jobs, directly and indirectly and allow intelligent people to contribute to the world. Not only will she gladly take money from Wall Street, she understands that crippling legislation is economic suicide and will make sure to consider that all times.
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    22 Jun '16 13:32
    Originally posted by quackquack
    Polls reflect peoples idealism. When voting people are far more practical. Only a moron stays home because the exact candidate isn't there. Clinton would be far better served moving to the right and appealing to moderates than moving to the left and narrowing the group of people who find her ideal palatable.
    Plus as a New York Senator Clinton understa ...[text shortened]... ds that crippling legislation is economic suicide and will make sure to consider that all times.
    "Polls reflect peoples idealism"
    translation: random people were asked a clear question, they answered a certain way, but you will dismiss what they said they will do and just stick to your original opinion that is not reflected in any reality (at the moment at least) and make a projection about the future again not supported by any facts (other than your own opinion).


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