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  1. Behind the scenes
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    27 Jun '18 18:01
    Politicians on both sides of the partisan aisle are liars and cheats, we all know that. However the problems we face are not their fault. Voters who put them there share most of the blame.

    Cases in point: Our lawmakers could come together to craft a budget to reduce our national debt, legislation to solve our border crisis, our environmental issues, our eroding educational system, our crumbling infrastructure and many other things, but they can't. Our lawmakers know this will require working across the aisle...it's called compromise, and it's NOT something that the voters on either side want. "My way or the highway!!" is what voters are screaming for, and as long as this is what they insist on, nothing meaningful will get done. America is divided evenly along partisan lines, one party cannot govern alone. Conservative and Liberal lawmakers need help and cooperation from the other side to govern, but their voters want everything done their way, and ONLY their way:

    We have seen the enemy, and it is us.....
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    27 Jun '18 19:29
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Politicians on both sides of the partisan aisle are liars and cheats, we all know that. However the problems we face are not their fault. Voters who put them there share most of the blame.

    Cases in point: Our lawmakers could come together to craft a budget to reduce our national debt, legislation to solve our border crisis, our environmental issues, our ...[text shortened]... ant everything done their way, and ONLY their way:

    We have seen the enemy, and it is us.....
    The exact reason Trump was elected...and as he try's to correct the wrongs, liberal democrats, and some establishment repubs are fighting him tooth and nail.
  3. Standard memberHandyAndy
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    27 Jun '18 20:26
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    The exact reason Trump was elected...and as he try's to correct the wrongs, liberal democrats, and some establishment repubs are fighting him tooth and nail.
    Trump was elected because he identifies with an ignorant cadre of
    racists and white supremacists, like you, who worship him as a savior.

    Correcting wrongs? That's nothing more than a sick joke.
  4. Behind the scenes
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    27 Jun '18 20:47
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    The exact reason Trump was elected...and as he try's to correct the wrongs, liberal democrats, and some establishment repubs are fighting him tooth and nail.
    I don't see "The Donald" compromising on anything. Your statement is not only irrelevant, but it's factually incorrect.
  5. SubscriberTom Wolsey
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    27 Jun '18 20:52
    Originally posted by @mchill
    I don't see "The Donald" compromising on anything. Your statement is not only irrelevant, but it's factually incorrect.
    True, although there was the DACA deal which seemed like a compromise to me. Dems wanted nothing to do with it.
  6. Standard memberHandyAndy
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    27 Jun '18 21:23
    Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
    True, although there was the DACA deal which seemed like a compromise to me. Dems wanted nothing to do with it.
    Got two tens for a five?
  7. SubscriberTom Wolsey
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    27 Jun '18 21:45
    Originally posted by @handyandy
    Got two tens for a five?
    The Trump-Resistance movement will never compromise, even if it means amnesty for millions.
  8. Standard memberlemon lime
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    27 Jun '18 23:33
    Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
    The Trump-Resistance movement will never compromise, even if it means amnesty for millions.
    Meaningful communication with Democrats can be tricky if not impossible.
    So as a public service, I've selected two videos I believe will provide valuable insight into the mysterious inner workings of the left wing leaning mind.


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  9. Subscriberno1marauder
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    27 Jun '18 23:40
    Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
    True, although there was the DACA deal which seemed like a compromise to me. Dems wanted nothing to do with it.
    Huh? Talk about revisionist history:

    A much-anticipated bipartisan deal that would have paired a pathway to citizenship for nearly 2 million undocumented immigrants who came to the US as children with $25 billion in border security and some other measures failed to get the 60 votes necessary to advance legislation after furious White House opposition.

    The vote was 54-45.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/politics/trump-immigration-veto/index.html

    So Trump would have got his funding for the wall (unpopular) and all he had to agree to was DACA reform (popular) but he opposed it (even though most Senators supported the compromise) because he wanted a bunch of restrictions on legal immigration that white nationalists like Miller and Bannon support.
  10. Subscriberno1marauder
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    27 Jun '18 23:41
    Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
    The Trump-Resistance movement will never compromise, even if it means amnesty for millions.
    They already did.

    Trump refused to.
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    28 Jun '18 03:03
    Originally posted by @mchill
    I don't see "The Donald" compromising on anything. Your statement is not only irrelevant, but it's factually incorrect.
    "the Donald" is not there to compromise son...have you not figured that out yet?
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    28 Jun '18 03:04
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    Huh? Talk about revisionist history:

    A much-anticipated bipartisan deal that would have paired a pathway to citizenship for nearly 2 million undocumented immigrants who came to the US as children with $25 billion in border security and some other measures failed to get the 60 votes necessary to advance legislation after furious White House opposition ...[text shortened]... nch of restrictions on legal immigration that white nationalists like Miller and Bannon support.
    name one of those restrictions on legal immigration.
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    28 Jun '18 04:08
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    The exact reason Trump was elected...and as he try's to correct the wrongs, liberal democrats, and some establishment repubs are fighting him tooth and nail.
    Yeah... really?
    How come his policies have only benefitted the few then?
  14. Zugzwang
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    28 Jun '18 04:29
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Politicians on both sides of the partisan aisle are liars and cheats, we all know that. However the problems we face are not their fault. Voters who put them there share most of the blame.

    Cases in point: Our lawmakers could come together to craft a budget to reduce our national debt, legislation to solve our border crisis, our environmental issues, our ...[text shortened]... ant everything done their way, and ONLY their way:

    We have seen the enemy, and it is us.....
    Should Americans consider dividing the USA into more than one country,
    with the hope that a smaller country will be easier to manage?

    As each new country is born, its founders may amend or even scrap
    the US Constitution, which seems laden with historical baggage.
    For instance, one country may prefer a new constitution without the Second Amendment.
    Another country may prefer to require every adult male without a criminal
    record to own and keep a gun in working order. One country may
    embrace Muslim, Hindu, or Buddhist immigrants. Another country
    may be a Christian theocracy, which restricts immigration to white people.

    If this division occurs, then I would expect the mass migration of
    people to countries where they feel more comfortably. A possible
    drawback would be the new countries (formed out of the old USA),
    deeply suspicious of one another. plunging into an arms race.
  15. Subscriberno1marauder
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    28 Jun '18 04:42
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    name one of those restrictions on legal immigration.
    How about 2?

    Abolishing the lottery system and eliminating or severely limiting the family reunification program.
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