Originally posted by KellyJay
I'm prolife, and I also believe giving people the ability to defend themselves is also a
matter of being pro-life. I imagine all the lives lost in abortions far outnumber the lives lost
to even bad guys and good guys using their weapons on people combine. I wonder if
abortion deaths out number some of the deaths we have seen in some of our wars too?
Never mind your distractions about foreign wars. I wonder how infant deaths in the USA arising from inequality and the poverty of health service provision compare with rates of abortion? Is it really the "unborn child" you are concerned with here or is it not, rather, your intolerant and oppressive ideology you want to push down our throats.
A country like Holland manages to have good, non-judgemental abortion services alongside lower rates of abortion compared with those in America. If what you cared about really was in fact the rights of the child, born or otherwise, you would want to copy European policies and I don't mean the Irish policy, where abortion rates are relatively high despite a total ban.
The second rate American performance on infant mortality does not get the attention of our Christian bigots, who care nothing for the lives of (poor or working class) infants, only for their authoritarian, anti-women "Family Values" hypocrisy:
A recent working paper from the National Bureau for Economic Research suggests that high infant mortality in the US is a problem that disproportionately affects poor women with infants who are between a month and a year old.
Infant mortality rates in the US are 3 deaths per 1000 greater than in Scandinavia, and the reasons for that are still not very well understood. The authors of this study looked at microdata from the US, Finland, and Austria, and found that the differences in infant mortality between the US and the two European countries are almost entirely accounted for by looking at infant deaths between the first month and the first year after birth.
Cumulative infant mortality rates are higher in the US at every stage — at birth, in the first month, and in the first year — but the authors find that the differences are relatively small in the first two time periods (the US is actually just a touch ahead if you isolate outcomes between the age of 1 week to 1 month). Then it goes downhill. The study finds that "despite starting with very similar conditions at birth and the same neonatal outcomes, Austria vastly outpaces the US starting at 1 month of age." In an appendix, the authors did a similar study using data from the UK and Belgium and found very similar results.
The authors think the cumulative difference in rates, therefore, have less to do with acute health problems just after birth and more to do with SIDS, sudden death, and accidents.
The data suggests that the higher infant mortality in the US comes almost entirely from the deaths of babies born to poor women. Once they broke down the data into income and education levels the researchers found that, somewhat unsurprisingly, the infants of well-off, educated white women are just as likely to survive as their counterparts in Europe. They also found that the data was unchanged if they excluded black infants from the US sample (n.b. there is a documented black-white gap in infant mortality rates, but the authors find that it doesn't seem to be a mechanism here).
Thus, the conclusion is that this is about class. Poor women in the United States see their infants die at an alarming rate, given the medical technology available in this country. ...
... The authors don't get into who should pay for this, but it's likely not a coincidence that these European countries have robust public healthcare systems.
Actually the authors (this is Business Insider dot com for heavens' sake) run scared of their own findings but it is clear that the evidence is hard to get away from.