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  1. Standard memberuzless
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    19 Jul '18 15:512 edits
    The US army has done studies for years and years on getting the right people into the right jobs in the army. They have found the best indicator as to who should be an officer, a regular GI, vs an office desk worker is to test their IQ. People with scores less than 83 are deemed by the US army to have no value. There are no jobs in the army that they can competently do or end up being too disruptive to the other army guys. To be clear, people with IQ's under 83 can't even get jobs in the ARMY!

    Now, approx 10% of every country's population have people with IQ's under 83. If they can't get jobs in the ARMY because they are too stupid and disruptive, then how can we reasonably expect them to get jobs in regular society? There are no jobs they can do. What do we do with these people?

    In the US, 10% equates to about 40 million people. That's 40 million people who are too stupid or disruptive to even work in menial jobs. This is a giant problem that no country has been able to resolve. it's also one of the reasons why we constantly see unemployment numbers that hang around the 10% mark.

    So next time you hear some politician or mouthpiece on the news complaining about unemployment being too high, ask yourself "what job can these people even do in the first place?....would I want them working in my office with me?" Odds are you'd say no you don't want them to work for you.

    But if everyone says that, then who hires them? Food for thought.

    (For reference, Forrest Gumps IQ was 75)
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    19 Jul '18 16:05
    Originally posted by @uzless
    The US army has done studies for years and years on getting the right people into the right jobs in the army. They have found the best indicator as to who should be an officer, a regular GI, vs an office desk worker is to test their IQ. People with scores less than 83 are deemed by the US army to have no value. There are no jobs in the army that they can ...[text shortened]... says that, then who hires them? Food for thought.

    (For reference, Forrest Gumps IQ was 75)
    Dude IQ is not the same in all populations. For whatever reason some countries have high IS people with average IQ over 100 while other countries have average IQ below 80.

    Same thing goes by race.
  3. Subscribersonhouse
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    19 Jul '18 16:45
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Dude IQ is not the same in all populations. For whatever reason some countries have high IS people with average IQ over 100 while other countries have average IQ below 80.

    Same thing goes by race.
    What is "high IS'?
  4. Standard memberuzless
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    19 Jul '18 17:34
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Dude IQ is not the same in all populations. For whatever reason some countries have high IS people with average IQ over 100 while other countries have average IQ below 80.

    Same thing goes by race.
    how about we focus on the population at hand....
  5. Standard membersh76
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    19 Jul '18 17:43
    Originally posted by @uzless
    The US army has done studies for years and years on getting the right people into the right jobs in the army. They have found the best indicator as to who should be an officer, a regular GI, vs an office desk worker is to test their IQ. People with scores less than 83 are deemed by the US army to have no value. There are no jobs in the army that they can ...[text shortened]... says that, then who hires them? Food for thought.

    (For reference, Forrest Gumps IQ was 75)
    I don't see the problem.

    People not intelligent enough to join the army can still stock shelves, sweep floors, work bakery counters or become elected President of the United States.
  6. Standard memberSoothfast
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    19 Jul '18 18:44
    Originally posted by @sh76
    I don't see the problem.

    People not intelligent enough to join the army can still stock shelves, sweep floors, work bakery counters or become elected President of the United States.
    Besides, Cadet Bone Spurs had another "reason" for keeping his orange heinie out of the army.
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    19 Jul '18 18:591 edit
    Originally posted by @sh76
    I don't see the problem.

    People not intelligent enough to join the army can still stock shelves, sweep floors, work bakery counters or become elected President of the United States.
    Clever little post you wrote and I agree with some of it, but I would point out that there are a lot of mentally retarded folks that are genuinely unfit to hold down even the menial jobs you spoke of.
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    19 Jul '18 19:02
    Originally posted by @sh76
    I don't see the problem.

    People not intelligent enough to join the army can still stock shelves, sweep floors, work bakery counters or become elected President of the United States.
    See what you did there 😉
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    19 Jul '18 19:321 edit
    Originally posted by @uzless
    The US army has done studies for years and years on getting the right people into the right jobs in the army. They have found the best indicator as to who should be an officer, a regular GI, vs an office desk worker is to test their IQ. People with scores less than 83 are deemed by the US army to have no value. There are no jobs in the army that they can ...[text shortened]... says that, then who hires them? Food for thought.

    (For reference, Forrest Gumps IQ was 75)
    Apparently our current president has solved the problem.
    He collects them all at rallies and tells them they are smarter than the elites.

    Everybody cheers !! Everybody is happy !!
    Everybody goes back home to their trailer parks and drinks moonshine !! 😀

    Problem solved. At least for this president !!
  10. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    19 Jul '18 20:12
    Originally posted by @uzless
    But if everyone says that, then who hires them? )
    Having worked with children (up to 17 years of age) with learning difficulties
    I can tell you that many of them have a great work ethic, are methodical,
    polite and value contributing to society. I have seen successful work
    experience placements become full and part-time employment in
    libraries, shops and leisure industry.

    Intelligence is not the "be all and end all" of a person's potential.
  11. Zugzwang
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    19 Jul '18 20:14
    Originally posted by @uzless
    The US army has done studies for years and years on getting the right people into the right jobs in the army. They have found the best indicator as to who should be an officer, a regular GI, vs an office desk worker is to test their IQ. People with scores less than 83 are deemed by the US army to have no value. There are no jobs in the army that they can ...[text shortened]... says that, then who hires them? Food for thought.

    (For reference, Forrest Gumps IQ was 75)
    "For reference, Forrest Gumps IQ was 75."
    --Uzless

    What relevance does a fictional character have to low-IQ people in the real world?
  12. Zugzwang
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    19 Jul '18 20:181 edit
    Originally posted by @sh76 to Uzless
    I don't see the problem.

    People not intelligent enough to join the army can still stock shelves, sweep floors,
    work bakery counters or become elected President of the United States.
    US President Trump has boasted of being a 'very stable genius' in apparently every way.
    GM Pal Benko said that Donald Trump (after watching top GMs play chess at Trump Tower)
    told him that Trump thought that he could become a GM within two years of learning chess.
    Donald Trump seemed confident that his 'genius' in business would translate to chess.
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    19 Jul '18 20:20
    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    What is "high IS'?
    Phone typo correction.
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    19 Jul '18 20:22
    Originally posted by @uzless
    how about we focus on the population at hand....
    Which population is that?
  15. Zugzwang
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    19 Jul '18 20:37
    Originally posted by @uzless
    The US army has done studies for years and years on getting the right people into the right jobs in the army. They have found the best indicator as to who should be an officer, a regular GI, vs an office desk worker is to test their IQ. People with scores less than 83 are deemed by the US army to have no value. There are no jobs in the army that they can ...[text shortened]... says that, then who hires them? Food for thought.

    (For reference, Forrest Gumps IQ was 75)
    During the Second World War, one of the US Army's most effective units (for its size) was the
    442nd Regimental Combat Team, a segregated unit of Japanese Americans (including some
    drafted directly from internment camps) led mostly by white officers (including some racists).
    The US Army rated the 442nd RCT as equivalent in combat value to two ordinary regiments.
    The 442nd RCT became distinguished for its exceptional high rate of decorations for
    bravery (though racism precluded awarding Medals of Honor at that time) AND its
    exceptional high casualty rate. The Japanese Americans paid dearly in their blood for
    their alleged 'Asian American privilege' (to quote No1Marauder) during and after the war..

    The US Army gave IQ tests in English to the Japanese Americans (many of whom were
    not native speakers or did not grow up in English-speaking families) in the 442nd RCT.
    Given the prejudices of the time (whites were supposed to be much more intelligent),
    the US Army was surprised when the average Japanese American IQ score was significantly
    higher than the average IQ score of white soldiers in the US Army (including the USAAF).
    The US Army conjectured that more intelligent soldiers could perform better in combat.
    (Were the US Army's IQ tests biased against whites and in favor of Japanese Americans?)

    During the Second World War, no Asian Americans were awarded the Medal of Honor
    (the USA's highest military decoration) even in cases when they had displayed at least
    equal courage (such as throwing oneself upon a grenade to smother it) to white Americans
    who received the Medal of Honor. After enough outcry at this blatant double standard,
    a token Japanese American was posthumously awarded a Medal of Honor after the war.

    In 1996, an official study concluded that institutional racism had discriminated against
    Asian Americans and unfairly denied them awards of the Medal of Honor. Therefore,
    22 Asian Americans had their earlier decorations upgraded to the Medal of Honor.
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