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  1. Standard member Nemesio
    Ursulakantor
    22 Jul '04 18:47
    Some people seem offended by the idea that people might
    move during their vacations. I suppose these same people
    wouldn't care if the notice that people can put while on vacation
    said that they might move or not during that time, so what about
    having two different levels of vacation. The usual yellow sign for
    those who are going on vacation with little or no internet access
    and a different sign (a different color?) for those who might try
    to make a few moves.

    That way people don't get bothered so much.

    It's seems silly to have to do this though.

    Nemesio
  2. Standard member Exy
    Damn fine Clan!
    22 Jul '04 18:54 / 1 edit
    How about just no vacation sign - nothing - nada - zilch - no need for it, cos the time bank is there to give you up to 28 days without worry. You just need to plan your games a little in advance, in the same way you have to book your time off work, speak to your travel agent etc etc...
  3. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    22 Jul '04 23:21
    Well, the vacation alert gives you the option of making a little note as to why you're not moving, which is nice.
  4. Standard member Coletti
    W.P. Extraordinaire
    23 Jul '04 02:10
    The vacation setting is a good tool. It gives your opponent notice that you may be moving slow for a while. The only way to abuse the vacation flag is to set it as a way to trick your opponent in not taking a timeout when you run out of time.

    What is the benefit of doing that? A good question. Let's me think.

    Hmmm....

    Well, if you are not able to play your games as often as you'd like, such as when you are away from home for a few days, and you know you might run out of time. But you hope your opponent won't time you out, then vacation flag might trick him into not taking the win when he gets the chance.

    Oh HELLO!! That called being on vacation!

    Okay, then that's not really abuse. That's hoping your opponent will be considerate.

    Let see... Hmmm...

    Ok! I got it! Say you can get to a computer while on vacation. When I go to the beach, I can go to a public library, get on a waiting list and wait around for an hour to use a computer. And then I only get 1/2 hour to read my e-mail and move in my games. So I can only move in a few games. The vacation flag might keep my opponents from timing me out.

    WHOOPS! That's not abuse either!

    Let's me think some more....

    I can only move in a few games while on vacation, if any. And some idiot sees that I have moved a few times, but not on his game. So he times me out!

    OKAY!! That's a case of abusing the vacation flag!! Timing out your opponent who's on vacation just because he's moved in other games and not yours. It may be fair, but it's also rude.

    Well, now that's settled. I finally understand how the vacation flag can be abused.

    Now, how can we fix that? I know! Let make it so that you can not be timed out when you set the vacation flag. That would fix everything!

    Nope, bad idea. Then you'll get some yahoo that will turn on the vacation flag to draw out a losing game and you won't be able to time him out. Well I guess that means that you should be able to timeout opponents even if they set their flag, in cases where the win is clear and your opponent doesn't seem to be interested in playing you despite being out of time.

    In other words, the system works best just the way it is now. There is no real problem with it. The problem that other's have with people abusing their vacation flag, it's ALL IN their HEADS! They think that their opponent is trying to cheat them. But really, they're just paranoid and impatient. And maybe they feel guilty for timing someone out who has set their flag. Well, maybe they should! Because they are the ones who are abusing the system. They are the ones who are not being honorable.

    So if you don't have any cheese to go with that whine, STICK A CORK IN IT! Because it's you who is the problem, not the vacation flag, not people going on vacation who are taking the time to moving in their games! Just you cry babies!

    Have a nice day.

  5. Standard member Coletti
    W.P. Extraordinaire
    23 Jul '04 02:18 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Exy
    How about just no vacation sign - nothing - nada - zilch - no need for it, cos the time bank is there to give you up to 28 days without worry. You just need to plan your games a little in advance, in the same way you have to book your time off work, speak to your travel agent etc etc...
    And while your at it, remember to never sign up for tournaments.

    And don't play more then a few games at a time.

    And don't take any emergency trips.

    And make sure all your opponents don't go on vacation because that could blow your planning.

    And you probably shouldn't bother with subscribing because you won't need all those extra games and tournaments and other benefits.

    Yep. Good idea Exy. You'll waste less time playing AND you'll save your money.
  6. Standard member Exy
    Damn fine Clan!
    23 Jul '04 07:43 / 1 edit
    Anybody who enters a tournament that they know will still be live during a planned vacation break must expect to time out - vacation flags can't save you, it's automatic.

    Where is the sense in misleading people, the vacation flag will not stop you being timed out, it can't. If this is an issue for you then the only way you can avoid it is to play longer time out / time bank games, this can and will help you.
  7. Standard member gotti2000
    The winemaker
    23 Jul '04 08:42
    Originally posted by Exy
    How about just no vacation sign - nothing - nada - zilch - no need for it, cos the time bank is there to give you up to 28 days without worry. You just need to plan your games a little in advance, in the same way you have to book your time off work, speak to your travel agent etc etc...
    While I agree that the timeout/timebank settings should be enough to take care of all the timeout-problems I think it's a good idea to have the vacation flag and in addition the possiblity to tell ALL your oponents when they can expect your next moves.

    With or without the vacation flag you can still trick your oponent by sending him a message directly. I just think it's a good idea to have that flag.

    In fact the vacation message was something requested by a lot of people here. Before that you had to send individual messages to all your oppenents saying 'please don't timeout I'll be back in two weeks, promise' before you go on vacation.

    Consider the vacation flag as additional information for your opponents when they can expect the next move after a break. If you like your opponent don't time him out if you dislike your opponent get that extra points if they make you happy or if you don't have a star to create that new game and you'd like to play on.

    So leave it as it is, please.

    Gotti
  8. Standard member Exy
    Damn fine Clan!
    23 Jul '04 08:52 / 3 edits
    I agree with that - but what I don't agree with is that through lack of documented info in the FAQ (not that everyone reads it) new comers to the site automatically assume that the vacation flag in itself prevents time out. Not true. I think that a message should pop up - like when you are about to resign a game - stating:

    "Please be advised - the Vacation Flag is for information only. You will be timed out at the discretion of your opponent if you run out of time whilst away."

    This would end all confusion and cause for argument.
  9. Standard member Exy
    Damn fine Clan!
    23 Jul '04 11:40
    Actually a softer version is already in place.

    "Setting yourself on vacation will alert your opponents that you are unable to make a move.
    Note: This will not stop them timing you out if they so wish."


    So, there you have it, by all means put up your flag but don't be too surprised if some of your games get timed out.
  10. Standard member Phlabibit
    Mystic Meg
    23 Jul '04 12:30 / 1 edit
    I've talked one person into shutting the stupid thing off... I said, 'Hey, why is your vacation flag on all the time'?

    They said, 'I am not always able to get online, and play a lot of 3 day games'.

    I said, 'You are abusing the setting, and making vacation useless for people who actually leave for a week or 2 and come back. You would be better to write this in your profile... -please don't time me out if we are having a good game, I am not always able to get online-'

    Next time he was moving the flag was off, and he said 'good point'.

    What else you want?

    P-
  11. 23 Jul '04 17:33
    I have my vacation flag on as I am having severe problems finding time to get to this site (due to a story that is far too long and boring).

    Vacation flags I regarded as courtesy to let opponents know you won't be moving frequently - I have no problems if I am timed out due to this, it's my own fault.
  12. Standard member mrmist
    Moo
    23 Jul '04 20:51
    Originally posted by Osse

    Vacation flags I regarded as courtesy to let opponents know you won't be moving frequently - I have no problems if I am timed out due to this, it's my own fault.
    To be honest the "move frequency" icon serves that purpose more effectively.
  13. Standard member Ravello
    The RudeĀ©
    23 Jul '04 20:59
    Osse's point is perfect,if you can't be online and play in the agreed time control it's only your fault.
    Whining if you get timedout is useless.