As black I almost always play Albin Counter Gambit, 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5, but often don't have a clue what to play against 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 ... .
Is there a system maybe that is easy to learn against it?
Almost everything I play leads to some other opening (for example Slav or QGA) in which I suck cause I never usually play them.
The Colle system is there
d4-d5-nf3-nf6-e3-e6-bd3-c5-c3
but doing some reading it seems that the Colle is weak for black to attack on kingside after e3..... However, this opening seems to favor white if you don't know what you are doing with it.
This are openings out of a book of mine....... Haven't had any personal experience with them.
One of my opening books recommends kf6. White replies kf3. Then bf5. White counters w/ h3. You move e6. White g4, which attacks your bishop at f5. You bg6. White bf4. You bd6. White answers with bishop takes bishop. Your pawn then captures bishop.
This is what I found, and brings you out slightly ahead by position.
What do you guys/gals think???
The opening moves 1.d4 and 2.Nf3 and then usually 3.Bf4 are from the London System. There is a book by Andrew Soltis (ISBN: 0-87568-231-6) which explains the theory behind these flexible opening plans for white. Once you understand what white is up to, you will know what to do against it. Good 2nd moves for black tend to be either c5 or g6.
Originally posted by XanthosNZ1. d4 d5
I think you need to learn notation. Also how can white reply with Nf3 (N for Knight, K for King) when he already played it on move 2?
2. Nf3 Nf6
3. Bf4 h6
4. Nc3 g5
5. Bg3 Bg7
6. E3 Nc6
7. Nb5 O-O
8. Bxc7
Happy Now.
This leaves you king in a strange spot, but gives you increased attack potental, so you have to be quick on you attack.
I have finally decided what to play against 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3.
Of course 2... Nc6 is the move which enables transposition from Chigorin (D07) to Albin Counter Gambit (D08) very easily.
For example: 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c4 (the most logical move, every other is quite easy for black to meet, usually with ...Bg4). And now we have Chigorin, but black who is an expert on Albin Counter Gambit (that's me) plays 3... e5! And if 4.dxe5 d4! and we have Albin Counter Gambit! (which black normaly gets with this move order: 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5 3.dxe5 d4 4.Nf3 Nc6)
White can also play 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c4 e5 4.cxd5 Qxd5
Now we have 2 options:
(1) 5.dxe5 Qxd1+ 6.Kxd1 Bf5 and black is fine. This position, too, is from Albin! (which black normaly gets with this move order 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5 3.cxd5 Qxd5 4.dxe5 Qxd1+ 5.Kxd1 Nc6 6.Nf3 Bf5)
(2) 5.Nc3 Bb4 6.e3 Bg4 7.Be2 exd4 8.exd4 and black is fine. (It's interesting to note that this position is actually from Ponziani opening: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c3 d5 4.exd5 Qxd5 5.d4 exd4 6.cxd4 Bb4+ 7.Nc3 Bg4 8.Be2)
In my opinion, the most critical line is: 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c4 e5 4.Nxe5! Nxe5 5.dxe5 and now black has 3 options:
(1) 5...dxc4 or
(2) 5...d4 (which is more in the spirit of Albin) or
(3) 5...Ne7 (maybe not the best but this is probably the trickiest line)
I will not give any lines for these 3 options as I have yet to analyse every one of them but I would like you to tell me your favorite move here.
And any other comments on the lines I suggested would be appreciated.
Originally posted by Mislavhave you considerd bf4 in this line? 1.d4-d5 2.Nf3-Nc6 3.Bf4 and I think white has a good game and black will often get into a cramped possition because the knight on c6 is blocking the c pawn.
I have finally decided what to play against 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3.
Of course 2... Nc6 is the move which enables transposition from Chigorin (D07) to Albin Counter Gambit (D08) very easily.
For example: 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c4 (the most logical move, every other is quite easy for black to meet, usually with ...Bg4). And now we have Chigorin, but black who is an exper ...[text shortened]... vorite move here.
And any other comments on the lines I suggested would be appreciated.
Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboardYou are right. Bf4 is strong and I play it against Chigorin.
have you considerd bf4 in this line? 1.d4-d5 2.Nf3-Nc6 3.Bf4 and I think white has a good game and black will often get into a cramped possition because the knight on c6 is blocking the c pawn.
But I think that black will be fine with correct play, for example:
1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bf4 Bg4 4.e3 e6 5.c4 Nf6 6.Nc3 Bb4 7.Rc1 0-0 8.h3 Bh5 9.Bd3 dxc4 10.Bxc4 Ne7 ...
UPDATE
After 2 hours of analysing my silicon friend Fritz 8 gives 5... d4! as the best move.
So the best line for black after 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c4 e5 4.Nxe5 Nxe5 5.dxe5 is 5... d4!
It's hard to give any lines because the position is complicated, but with correct play black's pieces get very active. Here is an example game that Fritz 8 played against himself and that shows black's attacking potential:
1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c4 e5 4.Nxe5 Nxe5 5.dxe5 d4! 6.e3 Bc5 7.Na3 Ne7 8.Nc2 Nc6 9.exd4 Nxd4 10.Bd3 Qh4 11.0-0 Bg4 12.Qd2 0-0-0 13.Ne3 Nf3+! 14.gxf3 Bxf3 15.Bf5+ Kb8 16.Nd5 g6 17.Qf4 Qxf4 18.Bxf4 gxf5 19.Rfc1 Bd4 20.Rc2 Rhg8+ 21.Kf1 Rg4 22.Bg3 f4 23.Nxf4 Bxe5 24.Nd5 Bxg3 25.fxg3 Be4 26.Rf2 Bd3+ 27.Kg1 c6 28.Nf4 Bxc4 and black won in about 20 more moves.
Originally posted by MislavFor the 44 games in my database with 5...d4, White scores 63% (+26 =7 -11).
UPDATE
After 2 hours of analysing my silicon friend Fritz 8 gives 5... d4! as the best move.
So the best line for black after 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c4 e5 4.Nxe5 Nxe5 5.dxe5 is 5... d4!
It's hard to give any lines because the position is co ...[text shortened]... 2 Bd3+ 27.Kg1 c6 28.Nf4 Bxc4 and black won in about 20 more moves.
Shredder8 prefers 5...Ne7
Originally posted by THUDandBLUNDERI know, I searched that too, but in most of the games black didn't play the best moves.
For the 44 games in my database with 5...d4, White scores 63% (+26 =7 -11).
But now when I analysed it with Fritz I feel confident with it because I have found many improvements. Black has to play very precisely.