31 Jul 05
Looks SO tempting for white but I messed it up. Okay, I was drunk and playing fast, and it looked tasty but next day sobered up and salvaged the situation. How should this line best be refuted?
Game 1260315 It's a pretty horrible game now that I look at it again.😕
31 Jul 05
Originally posted by buffalobillYou mean after 3..... Qe7, I guess? Stay cool, put your knight back to f3, and develop, knowing that his queen is out early and vulnerable. White is better.
Looks SO tempting for white but I messed it up. Okay, I was drunk and playing fast, and it looked tasty but next day sobered up and salvaged the situation. How should this line best be refuted?
Game 1260315 It's a pretty horrible game now that I look at it again.😕
01 Aug 05
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Wow. I never knew Black could get out of this opening with so little punishment.
EDIT - Apparently a guy named McGregor (go Irish) drew a game against Bobby Fischer in a Damiano, with Fischer on White! Fischer played 4. Nf3.
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:Idh3VHsq8WQJ:www.chesscafe.com/text/mcgrew11.pdf+fischer+mcgregor+houston+1964&hl=en
Or, here's a pdf with a shorter address:
http://www.chesscafe.com/text/mcgrew11.pdf
01 Aug 05
Originally posted by AThousandYoungLittle punishment being subjective of course. It's horrible for black but not lost by force.
Wow. I never knew Black could get out of this opening with so little punishment.
EDIT - Apparently a guy named McGregor (go Irish) drew a game against Bobby Fischer in a Damiano, with Fischer on White! Fischer played 4. Nf3.
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:Idh3VHsq8WQJ:www.chesscafe.com/text/mcgrew11.pdf+fischer+mcgregor+houston+1964&hl=en[ ...[text shortened]...
Or, here's a pdf with a shorter address:
[i]http://www.chesscafe.com/text/mcgrew11.pdf
01 Aug 05
Originally posted by CoconutA correspondence game (not top level) where white played healthy opening moves and got a better position. He didn't find all the best moves afterwards (like 27.R1e5+ would have won faster), but good enough to finish the game with a win.
Can I please have an example game where this opening was done right by white?
[Date "1995"]
[White "Steen,Nick "]
[Black "Klausner,Sherman "]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f6 3. Nxe5 Qe7 4. Nf3 d5 5. d3 dxe4 6. dxe4 Qxe4+ 7. Be2 Bb4+ 8. c3 Bd6 9. O-O Ne7 10. Nbd2 Qg6 11. Nc4 Bc5 12. Re1 a5 13. Nd4 Qf7 14. Bf4 Bxd4 15. Qxd4 Nbc6 16. Qc5 b6 17. Qxc6+ Nxc6 18. Bh5+ Ne5 19. Bxf7+ Kxf7 20. Bxe5 fxe5 21. Nxe5+ Kf6 22. Re3 Rd8 23. Rae1 Bb7 24. Ng4+ Kg5 25. f3 Rd7 26. Re6 Rf8 27. Kf2 Rf5 28. Re7 Rfd5 29. R1e5+ Kg6 30. R5e6+ Kg5 31. Kg3 Rxe7 32. Rxe7 Kg6 33. Rxc7 Ba8 34. Re7 Rd6 35. Ne3 Kf6 36. Rxg7 Re6 37. Ra7 Rxe3 38. Rxa8 Re2 39. b3 Rc2 40. Ra6 Rxc3 41. Rxb6+ Kf7 42. Rb5 a4 43. bxa4 Ra3 44. a5 Rxa2 45. h4 Ke7 46. Rb7+ Kd6 47. Rxh7 1-0
01 Aug 05
Originally posted by XanthosNZClearly not. On the face of it, it still looks that you can bash down the gates and go rape and pillage at will - the Conan the Barbarian attack. As I said, it looks so tempting - but it's not so clear cut. Just play normally and she'll still land in your lap.
Little punishment being subjective of course. It's horrible for black but not lost by force.
One for the memory banks.
02 Aug 05
Originally posted by buffalobillIt's only a forced win after 3. ... fxe5 - after 3. ... Qe7 you have to take your time.
Clearly not. On the face of it, it still looks that you can bash down the gates and go rape and pillage at will - the Conan the Barbarian attack. As I said, it looks so tempting - but it's not so clear cut. Just play normally and she'll still land in your lap.
One for the memory banks.