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Originally posted by trevor33Doubled pawns arent automaticly bad......infact sometimes they are quite good.
if it goes 1 e4, e5 2 Kf3, Kc6 3 Bb5 thinking on the next move your opponent will take your knight what should the next move be to protect the e5 pawn? d6 is no good because your queenside pawns will get messed up.
After 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 GM Roman Dzindzichashvili recommends d6 in this position, its called the Steinitz defence. I dont play the Ruy Lopez so cant really comment in depth but the varitions looks fine for black.
Originally posted by trevor33Knights are N and kings are K
if it goes 1 e4, e5 2 Kf3, Kc6 3 Bb5 thinking on the next move your opponent will take your knight what should the next move be to protect the e5 pawn? d6 is no good because your queenside pawns will get messed up.
so you want:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5
Now you can play 3...a6 forcing the bishop to decide what it wants to do. This answers your question also.
3...a6 4.Bxc6 dxc6 (make sure you play this move and not bxc6) 5.Nxe5? Qd4!
Now you get your pawn back. If knight goes back to f3 then Qxe4.
Play 1.e4 e5, it's the easiest and gives you decent games. Use an opening database also. There are several online.
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Originally posted by RahimKThis is excellent advice. Why?
Use an opening database also. There are several online.
1. It is allowed, your opponent might very well use one, so why not you?
2. Even if you don't want to come to rely upon the opening databases, there is NO BETTER way to learn what moves you SHOULD play, or at least what are the good options, than to review openings played by players much better than your self. After you use them for awhile, you will get a good feel for what moves you should play and you can stop using the databases if you wish.
Originally posted by trevor33Play would normally continue something like this:
if it goes 1 e4, e5 2 Kf3, Kc6 3 Bb5 thinking on the next move your opponent will take your knight what should the next move be to protect the e5 pawn? d6 is no good because your queenside pawns will get messed up.
1.e4...e5
2.nf3...nc6
3.bb5 (Ruy Lopez)...a6 (I think it's the Morphy Defence & is usual)
4.ba4 (bishop backs off but still attacking the defender)...nf6
5.0-0...be7 (prepares black's own castle)
6.re1 (defends central pawn...b5 (attacks white's bishop pushing it back further)
7.bb3...0-0
And you have a bog-standard Spanish game. Both sides have chances & the queenside pawn-push isn't usually an issue for black.
Originally posted by trevor33I think there is no answer, it is very very subjective, I suggest you look at e5, the sicillian and the french defence and see which one gives you the best comfortl after say 50 games in each, specialize in the one you like best. For me it is the sicillian, I play it every time against e4 but like I said it is down to personal taste
i've been playing chess for nearly a year now and i still don't know a response to e4 that i'm comfortable with. i like playing pretty open games and don't mind sacrificing a pawn to get a better position. any ideas? what do you like playing?
Originally posted by RyanAtwoodA very bad typo from my - yes, you are correct. Thanks 🙂
I think you mean 3.Bb5 and 3.Bc4 respectively. Also 3...d6 is not bad as such but it is quite passive, and certainly 3...Nc6 can be recommended over this.
As for worrying about what to do about the threat to your pawn in the Ruy Lopez - there's really not a threat. You're probably wondering about something like this:
e4 e5
Nf3 Nc6
Bb5 a6
Bxc6 dxc6
Nxe5
where it looks as though you've lost a pawn. But there are a couple ways to get that pawn back quickly, such as Qd4.
Originally posted by trevor33Just stick with the basics of e4 in response and get a decent feel for the e4 openings. Use the opening explorer at chessgames.com. You don't have to pay to follow the first four or five moves in the opening for free.
i've been playing chess for nearly a year now and i still don't know a response to e4 that i'm comfortable with. i like playing pretty open games and don't mind sacrificing a pawn to get a better position. any ideas? what do you like playing?
Read the kind note about developing and not pushing pawns too soon. Your pawn moves are there to try to control the centre and to make space for your minor pieces.
I'm a fan of the Petrov Defence (aka Russian) which goes 1.e4e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 and cuts through the clutter pretty quickly.
Have you tried out all major defenses to see how you like them? Here's a quick list of them ( I may have forgotten some).
1.e4 e5, King pawn opening (no specific name that I know of)
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 French Defense
1. e4 c5 Sicilian Defense
1.e4 Nf6 Alekhine's Defense
1. e5 c6 2. d4 d5 Caro-Kann Defense
1.e4 d5 Scandinavian Defense
1. e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 Pirc Defense
One book I really like is Winning Chess Openings by Yasser Seirawan. It covers all these defenses with all the main variations without being way over your head... you get a good feel for each opening and you can see it suits your style or not. Then, you can play from whatever knowledge you have with that book, and once you get advanced enough, you could get Chess Openings for Black, Explained by Lev Alburt. It's like a more advanced version of Winning Chess openings, but it focuses on just defenses for Black. After that, you can eventually buy a book specific to the opening(s) you have selected once you're rating is high enough.
I hope this has been helpful...
Originally posted by chesskid001Good advice for a more advanced player but shouldn't he walk before he tries to run?
Have you tried out all major defenses to see how you like them? Here's a quick list of them ( I may have forgotten some).
1.e4 e5, King pawn opening (no specific name that I know of)
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 French Defense
1. e4 c5 Sicilian Defense
1.e4 Nf6 Alekhine's Defense
1. e5 c6 2. d4 d5 Caro-Kann Defense
1.e4 d5 Scandinavian Defense
1. e4 d6 2.d4 ...[text shortened]... (s) you have selected once you're rating is high enough.
I hope this has been helpful...
I always learnt that e5 was a sound opening. It leads to things like the Ruy Lopez and Italian Game, and some wackier ones like Two Knights Defense, if you want to go that way.
First 50 or so games I played OTB was e4 as White, e5 against e4 as Black. I don't know about personal preference, but that was what I was taught while learning chess.
A game I've always been interested in (ever since I found it), was the Danish Gambit, which is where White will give up two pawns for two extremely active bishops. But I don't know if that's a very sound opening, so 1 e4 e5 should be fine.
i suggest you study a little bit more on an opening for e4. you may want to play the sicilian because the game is usually open and has lots of attacking chances for both sides. in the opening try to develpope pieces rather than pawns. as a rule of thumb for people at your level if you develope your kingside pieces then castle you will have a much better chance in the middle game to bust the game open with an attack.