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    Hans is suing chess dot com and Nakamura and others for 100 million in a defamation lawsuit over their allegations of cheating over the board.

    It is not about his online play.

    No evidence of over the board cheating has been presented by anyone so yes it is defamation.
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    20 Oct '22 21:55
    HANS MOKE NIEMANN,
    Plaintiff,
    v.
    SVEN MAGNUS ØEN CARLSEN A/K/A
    MAGNUS CARLSEN, PLAY MAGNUS
    AS D/B/A PLAY MAGNUS GROUP,
    CHESS.COM, LLC, DANIEL RENSCH
    A/K/A “DANNY” RENSCH, AND
    HIKARU NAKAMURA,
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.moed.198608/gov.uscourts.moed.198608.1.0.pdf
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    Magnus' reaction(!) :-)
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1583195347618500608
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    @daodejing said
    Magnus' reaction(!) :-)
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1583195347618500608
    I strongly suspect he was hamming it up. 😉
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    @mayor said
    Hans is suing chess dot com and Nakamura and others for 100 million in a defamation lawsuit over their allegations of cheating over the board.

    It is not about his online play.

    No evidence of over the board cheating has been presented by anyone so yes it is defamation.
    No evidence of over the board cheating has been presented by anyone so yes it is defamation.


    From a legal standpoint, I agree, however 100 million dollars in damages over allegations of cheating in OTB play is pretty unrealistic.
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    Ya but that's the new lawsuit way.
    Aim high and hope for a settlement.

    That Netflix lawsuit took about 2 years so this one may be awhile before we hear anything.
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    Not much option for Hans. His match v Vincent Keymer has been cancelled
    and Tata Steel have dropped him. If this continues he won't be able to play anywhere.
    Nobody wants to gets on the wrong side of Magnus.

    Nakamura should be OK but chess.com who ban up to 800 players a day without
    naming them nor publishing their details may have to go into greater detail
    how their cheat detection works and they have to have a 100% proof that Hans
    cheated in over 100 games. Their use of 'probably cheated will bounce back on them.
    They need 100+ games proving beyond any doubt Hans cheated.

    What was said between Magnus and the arbiters will have to come out. prior to Round
    4 when the security was stepped up. Did Magnus insist they throw Hans out?
    That OTB game was clean.
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    Apparently about 20 top players have cheated once or twice some time ago and that list will be exposed at any trial so who knows...I see a settlement.
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    @mchill said
    No evidence of over the board cheating has been presented by anyone so yes it is defamation.

    From a legal standpoint, I agree, however 100 million dollars in damages over allegations of cheating in OTB play is pretty unrealistic.
    If it had been just against Nakamura, or Carlsen, or both, sure. Against chess.com, with its dubious practices and massive business? Quite reasonable, I'd say. This company has instigated a concerted campaign to ruin Niemann's career for the rest of his life. What else can he do but hold them accountable?
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    Look at it this way - you must be quite a chess player if you can defeat a cheater using stockfish!
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