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  1. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    10 Dec '13 12:57
    The justifications for 17. Nxf7!?

    Busted open king protection
    Majority of black's pieces being stranded on the queen side
    d7 knight blocking the c8 bishop

    23 h4+ would have lead to a quicker mate, I know

  2. Standard member SwissGambit
    Caninus Interruptus
    10 Dec '13 16:49
    18...Ke7? was far too helpful. The last thing he should do is help you get more pieces in play with check. He had to cross the fingers and try 18....Kf8. If that doesn't work, it's time to resign.
  3. Subscriber Ponderable
    chemist
    10 Dec '13 19:14 / 1 edit
  4. Subscriber Ponderable
    chemist
    10 Dec '13 19:19 / 2 edits
    left blnkby ers dumbness....
  5. Standard member SwissGambit
    Caninus Interruptus
    10 Dec '13 19:27 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Ponderable
    [b]sorry for the empty post I struggled with the pgn...

    [pgn][White "adam warlock"]
    [Black "JankoJovicic"]
    [Result "1-0"]
    [Termination "adam warlock won by checkmate"]

    1.e4 e6 2.c4 d5 3.cxd5 exd5 4.exd5 Nf6 5.Nc3 Nxd5 6.d4 Bb4 7.Qb3 Bxc3+ 8.bxc3 c6 9.Bd3 O-O 10.Ne2 Re8 11.O-O Qb6 12.Qc2 h6 13.Ng3 Nd7 14.Nf5 Qc7 15.Bxh6 gxh6 16.Nxh6+ Kf8 17.Nxf7 Kf8 {SG`s suggestion} 18. Qf6 {what I would play then } Ke7[/pgn]
    You left out a couple moves.

    FIX'D:

  6. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    11 Dec '13 09:16
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    You left out a couple moves.

    FIX'D:

    [pgn]
    [Event "Edited game"] [Date "2013.12.10"] [Round "?"] [White "adam warlock"] [Black "JankoJovicic"] [Result "*"] [PlyCount "38"] [EventDate "2013.??.??"] 1. e4 e6 2. c4 d5 3. cxd5 exd5 4. exd5 Nf6 5. Nc3 Nxd5 6. d4 Bb4 7. Qb3 Bxc3+ 8. bxc3 c6 9. Bd3 O-O 10. Ne2 Re8 11. O-O Qb6 12. Qc2 h6 13. Ng3 Nd7 14. N ...[text shortened]... 8 {SG's suggestion} 19. Qf5+ {what would I play then} Ke7 {(SG strongly prefers N7f6)} * [/pgn]
    After 19. ... Ke7? 20. Rfe1+ wins for white. After the dust settles I see Rook + minor piece + 6 pawns (3 of them passed and connected!) vs rook + minor piece + 3 pawns.

    After 18. ... kf8 why not 19. Bxe8? This move allows white to get some of its material back right away and if black takes the bishop with its king the rook on the f file gets into the game with a check. After the king moves white will penetrate black's position with the queen and have the three connected passed pawns on the king side.

    After 19. ... N7f6 black has managed to free up his queenside with a valuable tempo and white's attack doesn't look too good... All I see is 20. Qf3. After this black either trades its e8 rook for my bishop or hands over one of its knights. This position is highly unclear for me but I'm still counting on my 3 connected passed pawns to make a difference.
  7. Standard member SwissGambit
    Caninus Interruptus
    11 Dec '13 23:42
    Originally posted by adam warlock
    After 19. ... Ke7? 20. Rfe1+ wins for white. After the dust settles I see Rook + minor piece + 6 pawns (3 of them passed and connected!) vs rook + minor piece + 3 pawns.

    After 18. ... kf8 why not 19. Bxe8? This move allows white to get some of its material back right away and if black takes the bishop with its king the rook on the f file gets into th ...[text shortened]... ighly unclear for me but I'm still counting on my 3 connected passed pawns to make a difference.
    I agree, the position after 18...Kf8 19.Bxe8 Kxe8 20.Rae1+ is difficult for black to hold - I just don't see a better option.
  8. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    12 Dec '13 08:12
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    I agree, the position after 18...Kf8 19.Bxe8 Kxe8 20.Rae1+ is difficult for black to hold - I just don't see a better option.
    Just one more thing. After 19 ... N7f6. 20. Qf3? Bg4 and white is busted. Thus I discard my previous comments on this line.

    After 18...Kf8 19.Bxe8 Kxe8 20.Rae1+ Kf8 I've looked into a couple of queen moves but I'm still having a lot of problems with N7f6.