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3 fold repetition move

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CaNaDa

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question for you guys.. this is a game from another site.. I put a ticket in to the admin saying this game is threefold repetition, because the board was in the same position three times, but their admin said no because it wasn't the same colour that did all three moves into that position.. Here is the game.. moves 44, 46, and 49 have the board in the same position. Am I incorrect? that it has to be the same person to move last to make the board in the same position each time?


1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nb1c3 Ng8f6 4. Ng1f3 Nb8c6 5. Bc1g5 Bf8e7 6. e3 h6 7. Bg5h4 O-O 8. Bf1d3 dxc4 9. Bd3xc4 Be7b4 10. O-O Bb4xc3 11. bxc3 a6 12. a4 Bc8d7 13. Qd1d3 Rf8e8 14. Nf3e5 g5 15. Bh4g3 Nc6xe5 16. Bg3xe5 c6 17. Bc4b3 b5 18. Bb3c2 bxa4 19. f4 g4 20. Ra1xa4 a5 21. e4 c5 22. Be5xf6 Qd8xf6 23. e5 Qf6g7 24. Ra4a1 cxd4 25. cxd4 Re8b8 26. Rf1b1 Rb8xb1 27. Ra1xb1 a4 28. Qd3e4 Ra8c8 29. d5 Qg7g6 30. Qe4xg6 fxg6 31. dxe6 Bd7xe6 32. Bc2xa4 Rc8c4 33. Ba4b3 Rc4c6 34. Bb3xe6 Rc6xe6 35. Rb1b8 Kg8f7 36. Rb8b7 Re6e7 37. Rb7xe7 Kf7xe7 38. Kg1f2 Ke7e6 39. Kf2e3 g5 40. g3 Ke6d5 41. Ke3d3 gxf4 42. gxf4 h5 43. Kd3e3 h4 44. Ke3f2 Kd5e6 45. Kf2e3 Ke6f5 46. Ke3f2 Kf5e6 47. Kf2f1 Ke6f5 48. Kf1g2 Kf5e6 49. Kg2f2 Ke6f5 50. Kf2e3 Kf5e6

sorry. .other site doesn't give FEN's that I can find., and I don't know how to create them.

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The admin is correct. It must be the same players turn each time before he can claim a draw.

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CaNaDa

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Thanks.. I wasn't aware of that.. I knew it didn't have to be consecutive though.. just didn't know turn mattered, but it makes sense.

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One other thing about the 3 fold rule, FYI...

I have also read that not only must it be the same player's turn to move each time, but castling privileges must be the same all three times as well...

For example, take a position which occurs twice, and a King (doesn't matter which King) is eligible to castle... if that King subsequently moves, and then moves back to it's original square (i.e. it is now ineligible to castle), and then the same position occurs a third time, it is not considered a draw by repitition, because castling privleges are different the third time the position occurred. (First two times, King is eligible to castle, third time, King is not eligible to castle).

Sometime, even the greatest players misuse this rule... In (I think) the 20th game of the Fischer-Spassky WC match in 1972, Fischer incorrectly claimed a draw by 3 fold repitition...but although the position had occurred three times it had not been repeated with the same player to move each time...(However, the draw stood, as Spassky did not dispute the claim).


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and... to add one more, but almost never seen possibility that the admin told me after.. was even the same en passent capabilities.
so., if on the first repetition, the next move someone can use en passant but they don't.. the next two repetitions, even though the board is the same, its not exact, because the player can no longer use en passant.

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