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7.. h5 in the normal dragon variation, is this a good move?

7.. h5 in the normal dragon variation, is this a good move?

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My friend suggested me this move a short while ago, saying he is going to test it and see if it is good.

Can anyone give me his opinion on this strange, I would rather play 0-0. But what about this move.

Here is the position



Can this prevent black from kingside castle ? It weaken g6 and f6 and h6 are weak too.

Is this game, My friend resign because he didn't want to destroy "his new opening.

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Looks odd indeed.What is your friend's idea behind this move?

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Maybe he wanted to prevent g4 and treat to push the pawn foward to prevent h4.
I have yet to wait for one of his unique game.

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Its not a bad move; if it is a bit premature. White is planing to castle queenside anyway, and 7...h5 prevents early h2-h4-h5. White will probably still play g4, but he will have move trouble. h5 is a common move in the dragon, only its usually not played for a few more moves.

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Originally posted by Sophy
My friend suggested me this move a short while ago, saying he is going to test it and see if it is good.

Can anyone give me his opinion on this strange, I would rather play 0-0. But what about this move.

Here is the position
[pgn][Event "internet chess game, correspondance. "]
[Site "Breslau"]
[Date "1912.??.??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "0-1"]
[Resu , My friend resign because he didn't want to destroy "his new opening.
Wow that creates so many holes over there on the queenside... The point of ...h5 in many sicilian games is to deal with threats that are happening then.... Committing yourself to h5 so early is a waste of time and creates too many weaknesses to have any merit... BUT it would be a nice surprise for your opponent who, chances are, has never seen it before.

I had something like that happen once except this person decided to play 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 a5 and he got what he wanted! I had never seen it before but the problem was that he didn't know what to do with it either! So my chess brain started kicking in and was hungering after the weakness over on his queenside so I came up with a plan to exploit it I played 8.Na4! He must have been like wow this is really working! He put his night on the rim now things are grim for him! And play followed 8...Bd7 9.Nb5 bringing my other night over to the weakness 9...0-0 10.Bb6 uh oh! This wouldn't be possible if he hadn't played a5. 10...Qc8 (forced) 11.Bd4 Qc6 (this or Qd8 was forced because of the night fork on the weak b6 square) 12.Nbc3 to open up the f1-a6 diagonal so the bishop can control the a6 square which is the rooks only escape after Nb6 12...Re8? I guess he is preparing for e5 but no prep is needed e5 immediately is better following the rule of thumb "any attack on the wings should be met by a break in the center" 13.Nb6 Ra6 14.Bb5 Qc7 15.Bxa6 Nxa6 and now I have won the exchange by exploiting his weakness and my pawn structure is better for the endgame as he will have doubled c pawns and wholes on b5, b6, d5 and h6 and a fixed isolated pawn on d6.

I guess the point is to "get your bits out" as GP likes to put it instead of fiddling around with your pawns.

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Originally posted by Sophy
Can this prevent black from kingside castle ? It weaken g6 and f6 and h6 are weak too.
The point of ...h5 obviously is to prevent the immediate g4; naturally it renders h2-h4 inferior as well.

This ...h5 line should lead to positions less double-edged.

White develops normally Qd2, 0-0-0, Kb1, Be2, then h3 with the idea of g4; if Black responds to h3 with h4, deterring g4 at least as long as the Black King is in the center, the h-pawn may prove a liability - I don't think it could be captured but the Black rook is pinned down to its defense and white should have a somewhat freer hand in the center.

Black should delay castling in this line, that is, if there is some punishment for playing h5 so early. Black can afford to delay castling for some time in this line.

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i usually don't play many sicilians but I do play the dragon reversed (the english) and I think that move is a waste of time, there is no need to play a pawn move as such for there is no threat, nor a biggining of an atack for the player who makes this move, + h5, or h4 is creating a target, both those very same pawns can easily be atacked and it makes g7 or g3 a target as well. I like to think these kind of pawns are ideial for bishop sacrifices... at least you can threaten to do so...

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Sorry, I have a big mistake in posting right away
Sorry, I have a big mistake in posting right away

While I kinda like that useless move,


As I don't find caslting important.

Don't worry, a game will be coming soon.

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Originally posted by orion25
i usually don't play many sicilians but I do play the dragon reversed (the english) and I think that move is a waste of time, there is no need to play a pawn move as such for there is no threat, nor a biggining of an atack for the player who makes this move, + h5, or h4 is creating a target, both those very same pawns can easily be atacked and it makes g7 or ...[text shortened]... k these kind of pawns are ideial for bishop sacrifices... at least you can threaten to do so...
I'm sorry, but the dragon has nothing to do with the english.