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My laptop with Fritz is with a buddy atm, so I need some help. Someone with Silmans Reassess Your Chess Workbook (and Fritz, or something to analyze) Problem 54 says 'after 1... f4 by placing all the pawns on dark squares, Black severely restricts Whites bishop,' Now, Im sure Im missing something basic (so maybe Fritz isnt even necesary(sp?) haha), but after 1... f4 2. Ne4 if 2... Nb3 why not 3.Nxg4!? hxg4 4.Qxg4+ when 5. Bxf4 and the pin on the e pawn leaves the bishop not only developed but putting alot of pressure of e5, as well.

So what am I missing?

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can you post the position as an FEN?
i don't have that book.
i think i might buy it though...

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no, but it would be (i dont know how fen works entirely, if you tell me the format i could post it, but the game is from Kindermann - M. Adamsa, Novi Sad Olympiad 1990.

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Originally posted by Menso
So what am I missing?
Include a diagram (using a FEN string) and everyone can follow along.

http://www.timeforchess.com/help/index.php?help=faq
for info about FEN.

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r3rbk1/8/p3q2p/n3pppQ/2p5/P1P3NP/1P3PP1/R1B1R1K1

I think thats right, lets see

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Originally posted by Menso
no, but it would be (i dont know how fen works entirely, if you tell me the format i could post it, but the game is from Kindermann - M. Adamsa, Novi Sad Olympiad 1990.
To do a FEN you click on Insert board from FEN, and type the FEN into the widget.

The fen contains numbers to designate blank spaces, and letters to designate pieces. The white pieces are in upper case, black in lower. So for example K=white king. The fen starts at a1 and ends at h8, the end of each rank is designated by a /

So the following fen gives the position after 1. e4: rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/4P3/8/PPPP1PPP/RNBQKBNR

to give:


Edit: too late.

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I got it correct, so Black played 1... f4.

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Originally posted by Menso
I got it correct, so Black played 1... f4.
You've given up a rook for 3 pawns assuming: 1. ... f4 2. Ne4 Nb3 3. Nxg4 hg 4. Qxg4+ Bg7 5. Bxf4 Nxa1 Rxa1, which is probably too much.

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I know im down material, but instead of Rxa1 why not Rxe5 (maybe Bxe5, attacking the pinned bishop, the bishop cant capture) and you get 4 pawns for a rook, but Black is defending now, and his king has 0 pawns in front for protection, so something has to be there (i think).

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I see the problem with that now, Black can just take the bishop and rook for a queen, and I dont think White is in good shape.

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Originally posted by Menso
I know im down material, but instead of Rxa1 why not Rxe5 (maybe Bxe5, attacking the pinned bishop, the bishop cant capture) and you get 4 pawns for a rook, but Black is defending now, and his king has 0 pawns in front for protection, so something has to be there (i think).
If you don't recapture then you are a rook and a knight down after 6. Rxe5 Qf6 and black has to make further exchanges, after 6. Bxe5 (better) Qd7 black has his bishop pinned to his rook.

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what if after 1.. f4 2. Ne4 Nb3 3. Nxg5 hxg5 4. Qxg5+ Bg7 5. Rb1

getting 2 pawns for the knight, probably still losing though.

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Originally posted by Menso
what if after 1.. f4 2. Ne4 Nb3 3. Nxg5 hxg5 4. Qxg5+ Bg7 5. Rb1

getting 2 pawns for the knight, probably still losing though.
If you're going to sacrifice then the bishop has to be freed by the sac, or be the sacrificed piece. I think white's best try is to attempt to undermine the pawns with g3 or h4, hoping black slips up in the complications eg. 25. ... f4 26. Ne4 Nb3 27. Rb1 (27. Nxg5 Qf5) 27. ... Rad8 ? (27. ... Bg7 stops this, Adams played 27. ... Kg7 and the game finished 28. h4 Qg6 29. Qe2 Rc8 30. hxg5 hxg5 31. Rd1 Rcd8 32. Bd7? Rd3 33. Be1 Red8 34. f3 g4 35. Kf1 g3 0-1) 28. h4 g4 (28. ... gxh4 29. Qxh4) 29. Bxf4 exf4 30. Nf6+ Qxf6 31. Rxe8 Rxe8 32. Qxe8 is good for white. The critical mistake in Kindermann - Adams was 32. Bd7 allowing the rooks to double up, the position you gave is assessed as slightly better for black (- 0.4 ish) but not winning, there's no need to panic and sacrifice yet.

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I was thinking along the lines of 1.. f4 2. Ne4 Nb3 3. Nxg5 hxg5 4. Qxg5 Bg7 5. Rb1 Rf8, and the bishop isnt going anywhere. Without the sac, its just as bad, except Black still has those kingside pawn ready to wreak havoc, things lookgrim either way (that bishop might as well not even be on the board).

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Originally posted by Menso
I was thinking along the lines of 1.. f4 2. Ne4 Nb3 3. Nxg5 hxg5 4. Qxg5 Bg7 5. Rb1 Rf8, and the bishop isnt going anywhere. Without the sac, its just as bad, except Black still has those kingside pawn ready to wreak havoc, things lookgrim either way (that bishop might as well not even be on the board).
It doesn't work due to 3. ... Qf5.

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