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A question about fischer!

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Since Fischer beat spassky in 1972, he forfeited his title to Karpov in 75, right? but, what happened in 1973 and 1974? who did he play against to defend his title in those two years???

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In those days, there was a three year cycle for the world championship. First, some zonal and interzonal tournaments, then a series of matches, and finally the winner of all that (Karpov, in this case) got to play the world champion. That took all of 73-74.

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At that time the world championship was held every 3 years.

The current situation is so complex that chessbase.com made a diagram to explain it and I was still confused!

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In 1977 Bobby won 3 games against the MIT Greenblatt computer program MACHAC. I played the same program that same year and beat it by announcing a mate in 9 ... a memorized game with the Bxh7 sac by Edgar Colle. The program wasn't very strong although it did draw a master at that exhibition

Don't know of any games while he was world champ. He did play several blitz games with a Canadian GM. Not sure of that time period.

I'll always wonder if it was Fischer who crushed Short via telnet.

BTW, many people considered Fischer the undefeated champ until his death. He was not the champ, and did not default to Karpov in 1975. He gave FIDE an official letter of resignation.

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Petrovich, you never cease to amaze me. 🙂 Could you go into more detail about the whole "Short being destroyed via telnet" thing?

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Oh! You know, Short was invited to play a bunch of blitz games on the ICC anonymously. Short asked a few questions that he thought only Fischer would know the answer to and the answer was immediate and correct. The amazing thing about the games was that his opponent played several by pushing only pawns, a few times pushed a few pawns then just started moving his king to the center of the board ... and the most amazing thing was that Short was crushed in almost every game. Fischer denied the claims and said he did not play these games. I'll always believe he did.


Here is a clipping:

Nigel Short, who in 1993 challenged Russian Garry Kasparov for the world title, told the Telegraph he was almost certain he had played Fischer on the web.

"I am 99 percent sure that I have been playing against the chess legend," he said. "It's tremendously exciting."

Short said he was initially sceptical when told by a Greek Grandmaster last year that Fischer had been playing speed chess anonymously on a website, the Internet Chess Club.

In speed chess, known as "blitz" in the chess world, each player has a three-minute time limit per game.

Despite his misgivings, Short eventually arranged to play the unknown opponent, and in October last year lost the first of their four confrontations 8-0.

'Absurd' moves

Short said his adversary's style of play was intriguing.

"My unseen opponent began with some highly irregular, if not totally absurd, opening moves - shifting all his pawns forward by one square. These were moves that no Grandmaster would ever play."

Short said he immediately suspected a hoax, but became aware there was method in the apparent madness.


Nigel Short believes Fischer is better at speed chess than Kasparov
"From this deliberately unpromising position emerged moves of extraordinary power," he said. "In this first game I was totally crushed."

Short is one of the world's best speed chess players, and drew a speed chess series 6-6 with then world champion Garry Kasparov in 1995.

But he told the Telegraph: "In my opinion Fischer is a much stronger speed chess player than Kasparov, which is incredible when one considers that at 58 he is virtually a geriatric in terms of the modern game."

'Undiscovered symphony'

During the internet games, Short chatted online with his mystery opponent, whom he said showed great knowledge of the major chess players of the 60s - Fischer's most active period.

The most decisive "proof" came when Short asked his opponent if he knew of Armando Acevedo, an obscure Mexican player.

The immediate reply was: "Siegen 1970." Fischer had played Acevedo at the Siegen Chess Olympiad in 1970.

"The guy was obviously trying to tell me something," Short told the paper.

The British player fears his revelations may mean that Fischer - if it is him - will be unwilling to play Short again on the web.

But he said the games would have a lasting effect on him.

"To me, they are what an undiscovered Mozart symphony would be to a music lover," he said.



A case is presented at:

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=11

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Originally posted by petrovitch
Oh! You know, Short was invited to play a bunch of blitz games on the ICC anonymously. Short asked a few questions that he thought only Fischer would know the answer to and the answer was immediate and correct. The amazing thing about the games was that his opponent played several by pushing only pawns, a few times pushed a few pawns then just started mo resented at:

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=11
Chessbase remains so skeptical about the issue, asserting on engine use. but I'm rather skeptical about being able to cheat in a 3 minute game. How is it possible?

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Originally posted by diskamyl
Chessbase remains so skeptical about the issue, asserting on engine use. but I'm rather skeptical about being able to cheat in a 3 minute game. How is it possible?
You can hook up the engine straight onto the playing site.No need for human interference to relay the moves.

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Originally posted by Katastroof
You can hook up the engine straight onto the playing site.No need for human interference to relay the moves.
really? aren't they supposed to have some kind of protection system for that?

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the engine would not play weird moves...all pawns a square up, king's moves or so

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http://www.chessbase.com/games/iccf1.htm

so what do we call these openings?? The Fake Fischer?

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Originally posted by diskamyl
really? aren't they supposed to have some kind of protection system for that?
Apparently not.Maybe there's someone here who knows how these things work and cares to explain?

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Originally posted by petrovitch
...text shortened...Don't know of any games while he was world champ. He did play several blitz games with a Canadian GM. Not sure of that time period.

I'll always wonder if it was Fischer who crushed Short via telnet...text shortened
I don't have anything to add about the hypothesized blitz games against Short, but here's more information about the Canadian GM who definitely did play (and lose) 17 blitz games with Fischer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Biyiasas

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Originally posted by AlboMalapropFoozer
I don't have anything to add about the hypothesized blitz games against Short, but here's more information about the Canadian GM who definitely did play (and lose) 17 blitz games with Fischer.
[b]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Biyiasas
[/b]
hi, do you have the link to these games?

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Originally posted by AlboMalapropFoozer
I don't have anything to add about the hypothesized blitz games against Short, but here's more information about the Canadian GM who definitely did play (and lose) 17 blitz games with Fischer.
[b]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Biyiasas
[/b]
Fischer's blitz game was supposed to be god-like.

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