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All these posts and not a single game by Diemer. I should be ashamed. Here is one of his more famous combinational games.
I believe it was enclosed in an Informant combinations book.



14. d6 !! is the beginning of the beautiful combination.
In the game, after 20. ... h5 21.Qxh5 gxh5 22.Bh7 is mate. 🙂

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^^Beautiful game, thanks for posting.

In my first game as Black on this site against this line, 12. Nxf7 is curtains (if Kx Qxh7+ ) . However, I got lucky. Game 3899645

An excellent resource on the Blackmar-Diemer gambit, BDG:
http://www.zimbeckchess.com/chess_site_002.htm

The BDG is objectively unsound but theory indicates that it takes highly accurate play to refute the line. It's fairly easy to equalize against with Black but only given that Black knows what he's doing.

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I play it a lot. I trust it more in blitz though. I have a few games going with it now. The good thing about it is that it makes me fight. Sometimes, I get lazy. When I play it though, I'm always looking for a kill, playing aggressive. That's kind of the idea of taking up gambits in the first place. I have both keybooks, the old chess digest pamplets, the German book by Gunderam, Lane's book, Smith and Hall's book, Blackmar,Diemer,& Gedult (which has many fun miniatures to play through), Blackmar-Diebert Gambit (A National Master who played the gambit exclusively, even against Joel Benjamin), a few more books, and a lot of issues of Blackmar-Diemer World Magazine. Tom Purser's BDG pages are still online too. 🙂

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Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromfics
Tom Purser's BDG pages are still online too. 🙂
It's a very effective weapon, absolutely. Unfortunately I do not usually play gambits - I don't like some of them on principle and I don't feel like studying to play most gambit lines.

I'm trying it in a game now, and defending against it in another game - I'll see how it goes.

This is my preferred defence: Game 4080936

I analyzed Zimbeck's line 8. Ng5 Bg6 Ne2 Bd6 Nf4 Bxf4 Bxf4 some months ago and I thought it best. I think Black is better in that position.

I searched Purser's pages after almost losing the game I posted in my first post and the first game I found:

http://www.geocities.com/athens/acropolis/4902/games/houska.html

Same position after move 11 in my game posted in my first post! 🙂

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I have a good defence against the blackmar dimer gambit as well.

Game 4005897

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Originally posted by Tyrannosauruschex
I have a good defence against the blackmar dimer gambit as well.

Game 4005897
Is it brave way to avoid BDG? 😉

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Originally posted by Tyrannosauruschex
I have a good defence against the blackmar dimer gambit as well.

Game 4005897
That doesn't avoid it. 3. Be3 or 3.Nc3 Bb4 4. a3 and you're right back in one of the BDG sidelines. 🙂

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Could black not continue to develop in the style of a french defence until it becomes favourable to actually take the pawn?
It is not especially brave, but then again I dont really want to let people buy themselves free initiative at the cost of a pawn - people should earn their advantage.

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Originally posted by Tyrannosauruschex
Could black not continue to develop in the style of a french defence until it becomes favourable to actually take the pawn?
It is not especially brave, but then again I dont really want to let people buy themselves free initiative at the cost of a pawn - people should earn their advantage.
1) If initiative costs a pawn then its not free initiative.
2) In my opinion its much better for Black to take pawn and then give it back for better position.

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Why give it back at all? The french is known to be a good position to hold out against white pawn sacrifices - apart from that mad thing that korchnoi invented (and even that is quite dubious) I dont think there are any really effective sacrifices white can play to crack the iron wall of the french.

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Originally posted by Tyrannosauruschex
Why give it back at all? The french is known to be a good position to hold out against white pawn sacrifices - apart from that mad thing that korchnoi invented (and even that is quite dubious) I dont think there are any really effective sacrifices white can play to crack the iron wall of the french.
Practice shows that if you accept sacrifice then French setup is definitely not the beast weapon against BDG.

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What about that game I posted, that seemed to go pretty damn well.

If them gambit worked so well, why is it that no e4 player would ever use it in a 'pure' french game i.e. one that opened 1.e5 e6 2. d4 d5 ?
French players are greedy and lazy and will generally try to take and hold any material you throw their way.

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Originally posted by Tyrannosauruschex
What about that game I posted, that seemed to go pretty damn well.

If them gambit worked so well, why is it that no e4 player would ever use it in a 'pure' french game i.e. one that opened 1.e5 e6 2. d4 d5 ?
French players are greedy and lazy and will generally try to take and hold any material you throw their way.
For your notice: That game is not BDG but ordinary French defence. with transposed first 2 moves.

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So it is true, that the french can be used to defeat the black mardimer gambit.

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Originally posted by Tyrannosauruschex
So it is true, that the french can be used to defeat the black mardimer gambit.
French can be used to avoid BDG.

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