Originally posted by ChessJesterDepends on the opening and position.
Is it ever a good idea to advance your pawns into your oponents territory during the opening stages of the game?
What advantages and disadvantages can this bring?
What is the best way to counter an early center pawn advance, and what is the best way to exacute one?
By you advancing them, you create more space and cramp up you opponents pieces since he doesn't have as much space.
However, you lose control or important squares if you advance the pawns for far. Pawns on e4 and d4 are the best, they control 4 squares, c5 to f5, but if you push the d4 pawn to d5, you lose pawn control of c5,e5.
So it really depends.
To counter it, attack the pawns from the side. Some openings are desinged to do this. They let white have the center and then attack the pawns from the sides. Those are HyperModern openings.
In chess a good move is one that does 2, or more things at once....
Advanceing pawns (in the opening) bring them closer to promotion (although promoting itself is rare in the opening), hinder your openants development, and can give you space....
The main disadvantage is that they can become vunerable, you may find that your prize pawn (that you have spent lots of tempo on) will be taken because you can't adequatly defend it......
and the other disavantage is of course, you have to give up control of good squares to get them there
1. c4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 e6 4. d5 exd5 5. cxd5 Nb4 6. a3 Na6 7. Nc3 Nf6 8. d6 Qb6 9. Rb1 Bxd6
^ this is taken from a game I played earlier today, while it is far from a model opening it does illustrate a point.....advanced pawns can become easy targets
Originally posted by ShinidokiI think the mistake there was 8. d6...
1. c4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 e6 4. d5 exd5 5. cxd5 Nb4 6. a3 Na6 7. Nc3 Nf6 8. d6 Qb6 9. Rb1 Bxd6
^ this is taken from a game I played earlier today, while it is far from a model opening it does illustrate a point.....advanced pawns can become easy targets[/b]
Does anyone have any better examples?
Advancing pawns can be a good or bad thing. It gains space, sometimes at the cost of time. The best time to push pawns is when they kick away enemy pieces. The following is a good example of this in action in the Giuoco Piano 😉:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d4 exd4 6.cxd4 Bb6? [6...Bb4+] 7.d5! Ne7 8.e5! Ng4 9.h3 Nh6 10.d6! cxd6 11.exd6 +/-
Originally posted by ChessJesterYes.....that was the point I was trying to make.....
I think the mistake there was 8. d6...
Does anyone have any better examples?
I guess White's Idea behind 8.d6 was to cramp blacks position, and if it wasn't for Qb6 it would have been a good one......
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Pros
More space
Better Central control
More good squares for your pieces (if you have 4 pieces and only 2
good squares for them then oh dear)
Easier to move pieces from one side of the board to the other
Cramped enemy position
Cons
Over extended pawns become targets
Weak squares behind the pawns
Pawns sitting on squares your pieces might want
Sometimes unable to break open the position if the need arrises
Originally posted by ChessJesterNo worries. Geez I can't find 1 student! I'm cheaper then everyone and still nothing while everyone else is teaching.
Thanks alot Rahim! Oh, and I never answered your question before... I don't think I'm looking for lessons... but maybe in the future, I'll keep it in mind... how about I challenge you to an unrated game? ... then you could "teach me a lesson" for free! haha. 😀
I don't play unrated games. I play rated games only against players very close to my rating or higher rated them me on here. Sorry.
Originally posted by wormwoodI don't want to step on peoples toes. Several of the master do it already and out President of our club has been doing it for years. He charges $20 a hour, 2020 is his rating now. Everyone around that much.
maybe you should ask for more? people might think you're no good if you're too cheap?
or, everybody already has a teacher in your region.
Since i'm at 1852 and starting out I though $10 would be reasonable. Get some customer you know.
But i'm not sure how they get their customers and i don't know how to ask them because they would think i'm stealing their business but I want in!!!!
I'm not trying to improve at chess solely for my pleasure 🙂
The main guy who does the elementary, junior high tourney, and basically everything else in this region for juniors e-mailed me, I said I would accept and never got back to me. I sent him 3 e-mails and gave up. No use hassling him. Chess is getting huge in school and few instructors so He needs me, thus he should beg me! Although I could use the money 🙁
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the attack cost me material and tempo but I seemed to get everything I needed from it....
although, I'm not actually sure if I would have won if 19.Bc8 or Nc4 were played...something for crafty to look at i think
Originally posted by ShinidokiAhh nice, good job... the advancement was not so early though... by turn 11 I think thats kind of considered to be the beginning of the mid game.
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the attack cost me material and tempo but I seemed to get everything I needed from it....
although, I'm not actually sure if I would have won if 19.Bc8 or Nc4 were played...something for crafty to look at i think
But your knight did a good roundhouse kick on his army there haha, sweet forking.
Originally posted by ChessJesterwait wait....how early is early??
Ahh nice, good job... the advancement was not so early though... by turn 11 I think thats kind of considered to be the beginning of the mid game.
But your knight did a good roundhouse kick on his army there haha, sweet forking.
if your talking advancing pawns past e4 in 2-3 moves your commiting sucide....that advance only worked because I had 2-3 pieces defending their forward march