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after e4 c5, what is white's best move?

Standard membergrit
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  1. g
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    What is white's best path when after e4 black plays c5?

    grit
  2. w
    Standard memberwormwood
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    21 Feb '09 16:13
    2. resign and have a pint.
  3. S
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    21 Feb '09 16:281 edit
    2.d4

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  4. m
    Standard membermoteutsch
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    21 Feb '09 16:37
    Originally posted by Squelchbelch
    2.d4

    [pgn]
    [Event "April 2007 Threesomes II"]
    [Site "http://www.playtheimmortalgame.com"]
    [Date "2008.03.16"]
    [EndDate "2008.03.18"]
    [Round "3"]
    [White "Squelchbelch"]
    [Black "rchillcott"]
    [WhiteRating "1715"]
    [BlackRating "2082"]
    [WhiteELO "1715"]
    [BlackELO "2082"]
    [Result "1-0"]
    [GameId "4747353"]

    1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. N ...[text shortened]... e8xf7 10. Qd1d5 e6 11. Qd5xe5 Qd8f6
    12. Qe5c7 a6 13. Nc3e4 1-0[/pgn]
    I once asked a similair question (interesting gambit's for white in the sicilian) and got the same answer from you. Unfortunately, as I soon discovered, after 1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. c3 Black can play 3...Nf6 leading to largely boring play. I therefore not preffer the Fischer-Sozin Attack. Amazing stuff, where the only way of getting out of it, is the Timanov and the Sveshnikov/Kalashnikov.
  5. G
    Standard memberGarnoth
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    21 Feb '09 16:45
    Just play Nf3 and play the open sicilian, it's a good learning school if you want to practice your tactics. The closed doesn't really give you the open game you want when playing e4 plus it takes a lot more positional skill to play it well.
  6. S
    Standard memberSquelchbelch
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    21 Feb '09 16:50
    Originally posted by moteutsch
    I once asked a similair question (interesting gambit's for white in the sicilian) and got the same answer from you. Unfortunately, as I soon discovered, after 1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. c3 Black can play 3...Nf6 leading to largely boring play. I therefore not preffer the Fischer-Sozin Attack. Amazing stuff, where the only way of getting out of it, is the Timanov and the Sveshnikov/Kalashnikov.
    The 2.c3 transpositions can be a bit dull sometimes I suppose.
    The main line
    1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 Nf6 4.e5 Nd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bc4 Nb6 7.Bb3 d5 8.exd6 Qxd6 9.0-0
    is perfectly playable for both I think with perhaps a very modest advantage for White
  7. K
    Standard memberKorch
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    21 Feb '09 17:02
    Originally posted by Squelchbelch
    The 2.c3 transpositions can be a bit dull sometimes I suppose.
    The main line
    1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 Nf6 4.e5 Nd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bc4 Nb6 7.Bb3 d5 8.exd6 Qxd6 9.0-0
    is perfectly playable for both I think with perhaps a very modest advantage for White
    [fen]r1b1kb1r/pp2pppp/1nnq4/8/3p4/1BP2N2/PP3PPP/RNBQ1RK1 w - - 0 1[/fen]
    9.0-0 is too explored and there are found ways for Black to equalise. 9.Na3!? seems to be more interesting.....
  8. S
    Standard memberSquelchbelch
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    21 Feb '09 17:10
    I'd also like to add that probably around 75% of the time the gambit is accepted anyway & you don't have to worry about the 2.c3 lines.
    🙂
  9. Subscribergreenpawn34
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    21 Feb '09 17:21
    Hi

    Gave up the Morra when a few bods played 3...d3.
    Then the c3 pawn just gets in the way.

    2.b4 (the Wing Gambit) has been scoring very well in OTB play in Scotland.

    A few of the guys play 2.a3 then 3.b4 you get a Povah Gambit in
    the English a tempo up. It upsets the Sicilian book players.
  10. cg
    Standard memberc guy1
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    21 Feb '09 18:40
    2. Nc3 followed by 3. f4...gives a good center control and king side attacking chances
  11. g
    Standard membergrit
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    21 Feb '09 18:48
    Would you play Nc3 rather than Nf3?

    grit
  12. A
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    21 Feb '09 18:49
    How about being bold and experiment a little with the "Wing Gambit"?
    That is...White plays 2. b4. It could throw a lot of Sicilian players off balance, with the exception of the top players.
  13. m
    Standard membermoteutsch
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    21 Feb '09 19:20
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    Hi

    Gave up the Morra when a few bods played 3...d3.
    Then the c3 pawn just gets in the way.

    2.b4 (the Wing Gambit) has been scoring very well in OTB play in Scotland.

    A few of the guys play 2.a3 then 3.b4 you get a Povah Gambit in
    the English a tempo up. It upsets the Sicilian book players.
    Can you show some games? I haven't found any success with it...
  14. h
    Standard memberheinzkat
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    21 Feb '09 19:321 edit
    Originally posted by Aumonde
    ...with the exception of the top players.
    Could you be a little bit more specific?
  15. S
    Standard memberSquelchbelch
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    21 Feb '09 19:33
    Originally posted by moteutsch
    Can you show some games? I haven't found any success with it...
    I still don't understand why you'd give up on the Morra if you only face a very few 2.c3 transpositions.
    I think I've only had about 5 or 6 out of 75 or so RHP games beginning 1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3.

    Perhaps I am just lucky!
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