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  1. Standard member clandarkfire
    Grammar Nazi
    03 Jan '08 19:18
    would anyone recomend playing it as white?
  2. 03 Jan '08 19:21 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by clandarkfire
    would anyone recomend playing it as white?
    Well, I guess it's playable , I have seen a game by Nigel Short with it not that long ago.
    Problem is black isn't really have problems after either d5 or Nf6

    1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3 d5
    1. e5 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3 Nf6
  3. Standard member clandarkfire
    Grammar Nazi
    03 Jan '08 19:34
    Originally posted by sannevssr
    Well, I guess it's playable , I have seen a game by Nigel Short with it not that long ago.
    Problem is black isn't really have problems after either d5 or Nf6

    1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3 d5
    1. e5 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3 Nf6
    I think 3...Nf6 is considered a mistake for black, but it seems most people play this
  4. 03 Jan '08 19:38
    Originally posted by clandarkfire
    I think 3...Nf6 is considered a mistake for black, but it seems most people play this
    That is incorrect, 3. Nf6 is one of the two main moves and has been played by Spassky, Sokolov a.o.

    Actually if you feed the position to chesslive.de and type only over 2500 rating. It will come up with about 20 games.
    Surely all those grandmasters don't make a mistake on move 3?
  5. Standard member clandarkfire
    Grammar Nazi
    03 Jan '08 19:43 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sannevssr
    That is incorrect, 3. Nf6 is one of the two main moves and has been played by Spassky, Sokolov a.o.

    Actually if you feed the position to chesslive.de and type only over 2500 rating. It will come up with about 20 games.
    Surely all those grandmasters don't make a mistake on move 3?
    heres a video on it, not that accurate, but it does have some good information.
    YouTube&feature=related
  6. 03 Jan '08 19:51
    Originally posted by clandarkfire
    heres a video on it, not that accurate, but it does have some good information.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOZLHeKWhTQ&feature=related
    no you tubin possible here from work.
    But I doubt whatever that vid shows is going to convince me that 3. nf6 is wrong.
  7. 03 Jan '08 19:56
    Nothing wrong with this opening at all. Its perfectly sound and has the advantage that its a little offbeat, and even has some trappy ideas in it.
  8. Standard member clandarkfire
    Grammar Nazi
    03 Jan '08 20:01
    Originally posted by sannevssr
    no you tubin possible here from work.
    But I doubt whatever that vid shows is going to convince me that 3. nf6 is wrong.
    it does not necessarally show that it is wrong, but in my opinion it shows 3....D5 is better
  9. 03 Jan '08 20:11
    Originally posted by clandarkfire
    it does not necessarally show that it is wrong, but in my opinion it shows 3....D5 is better
    Ok, but thats different from what you said earlier, you don't have to scroll up very long to see you stated 3. .. Nf6 is a mistake whilst it is perfectly playable.
  10. 03 Jan '08 20:30
    While the position might "objectively" (whatever that means) be equal, if White is more familiar with the nuances of the position than Black, then he will have a very real practical advantage.
  11. Standard member clandarkfire
    Grammar Nazi
    03 Jan '08 22:45
    Originally posted by gaychessplayer
    While the position might "objectively" (whatever that means) be equal, if White is more familiar with the nuances of the position than Black, then he will have a very real practical advantage.
    yes, especially because it is not an opening many people are familiar with
  12. 03 Jan '08 23:20
    Originally posted by clandarkfire
    yes, especially because it is not an opening many people are familiar with
    Yes, and also the positions you get aren't really typical ones and there's plenty of play (fairly unbalanced positions). Nothing really wrong with it as an off-beat opening, but both the d5 and Nf6 lines lead to pretty equal positions with correct play.
  13. 04 Jan '08 01:28
    Yes, I play it sometimes in blitz and I like it.