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  1. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    17 Nov '05 06:18 / 2 edits
    game number 1329917. I will try to do it right after I figure out
    how again. BTW on move 38 I hallucinated the rook covering the
    d pawn which is why I checked at d2. boner.
    Game 1329917
  2. 19 Nov '05 01:55
    Crafty has some thoughts....
    http://www.falzon.biz/chess/1329917.html
  3. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    19 Nov '05 03:43 / 1 edit
    Hey thanks, I am printing it out. I think this is one of the most
    complex games I ever played, need to understand it better. Thanks.
  4. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    19 Nov '05 04:00 / 1 edit
    Well I went over the first variation, I found an error in crafty's
    analysis: move 22 Bf4, it says I should go Nb5. I would never go
    Nb5 because of the bishop take which kills my pawn structure, as
    if I need my pawn structure broken on BOTH sides!.
    If I had to move the knight, and that seems a reasonable enough
    decision, I would go to E6 or E8. E8 doesn't block the C bishop
    and puts a protection on g7 so thats what I would have done there.
    After Nb5, white could go Q-B3, attacking my now weakened d5 pawn,
    something like that, start an attack on the d pawn maybe followed
    by N-f1-Ne3 which doubles the attack on the d pawn.
    Looking at the opening moves, it seems my 18 Q-d1 f4 was a bad
    idea, that seems to be the crux of where my position started
    deteriorating. Is this opening a book one, if so how deep does it
    stay book? Thanks again.
    Don't like that stuff either, so N-b5 is definitely a boner.
  5. 19 Nov '05 04:28
    Crafty? innacurate? Very possibly. Maybe it doesn't care for it's pawn structure as much as you.
    With the opening. It appears to have left book after your move 4.
  6. Standard member TippedKing
    Blunder Grandmaster
    19 Nov '05 08:28
    [Event "Clan challenge"]
    [Site "http://www.redhotpawn.com"]
    [Date "2005.08.08"]
    [Round "?"]
    [White "becdude"]
    [Black "sonhouse"]
    [Result "1-0"]
    [ECO "A00"]
    [Annotator "Fritz 9 (20s)"]
    [PlyCount "131"]
    [EventDate "2005.??.??"]

    {A00: Irregular Openings} 1. e3 e5 2. d4 e4 3. c4 (3. a3 d5 4. c4 c6 5. Nc3 Nf6
    6. Qb3 Be7 7. cxd5 cxd5 8. Bb5+ Nc6 9. Nge2 O-O 10. Bxc6 bxc6 11. O-O Bd6 12.
    f3 exf3 13. Rxf3 Bxh2+ 14. Kxh2 Ng4+ 15. Kg1 Qh4 16. Ng3 Nh2 17. Qd1 Bg4 {
    Freudenreich,B-Delaire,E/Plancoet 2003/CBM 95 ext/0-1}) 3... f5 4. a3 $146 {
    Prevents intrusion on b4} (4. Nc3 Nf6 5. d5 (5. Nge2 g6 6. Nf4 Bg7 7. b4 d6 8.
    Qb3 c6 9. Ba3 g5 10. Nfe2 O-O 11. g3 Be6 12. b5 Rf7 13. h4 h6 14. hxg5 hxg5 15.
    d5 cxd5 16. Nd4 Bc8 17. cxd5 Ng4 18. Ne6 Qe7 19. Rc1 Nd7 {
    Vosko,M-Prielozny,S/Slovakia 1997/EXT 99/1-0 (44)}) 5... d6 6. Nge2 g6 7. b3
    Bg7 8. Bb2 O-O 9. Nf4 Qe7 10. h4 Ng4 11. Be2 a5 12. Qc2 Na6 13. a3 Bd7 14. Bxg4
    fxg4 15. Nce2 Nc5 16. Nd4 Rxf4 17. exf4 Nd3+ 18. Kf1 Qf6 {
    Panic,N-Petronijevic,Z (2430)/Nis 1997/EXT 2002/0-1 (40)}) 4... Nf6 5. Nc3 c6 {
    Controls b5+d5} 6. c5 {This push gains space} (6. Nh3 $5 $14) 6... d5 $11 7. b4
    Be7 8. Nge2 O-O 9. Nf4 Qe8 10. Qb3 Kh8 11. h3 {Covers g4} Nh5 12. Nxh5 Qxh5 13.
    Ne2 g5 14. h4 Na6 (14... f4 $5 {must be considered} 15. exf4 gxh4 $14) 15. Ng3
    $16 Qg6 16. hxg5 Nc7 17. Be2 Bxg5 18. Qd1 f4 19. exf4 Bf6 $2 (19... Rxf4 20.
    Bxf4 Bxf4 21. Qb3 $14) 20. Bh5 $4 {White lets it slip away} (20. f5 $142 {
    a shame that White overlooked this excellent chance} Qg8 21. Bh5 Bxf5 22. Nxf5
    Qxg2 23. Rf1 $18) 20... Qg7 $14 21. f5 Bxd4 22. Bg6 {
    White threatens to win material: Bg6xh7} Bc3+ (22... Bxa1 23. Rxh7+ Qxh7 24.
    Bxh7 Kxh7 25. Qh5+ Kg8 26. Qg6+ Bg7 $18) 23. Kf1 $16 Bxa1 24. Bh6 Qd4 25. Qxd4+
    Bxd4 26. Bxf8 Kg8 27. Rxh7 Ne8 $4 {
    but even a better move would not have saved the game} (27... Kxf8 28. Rxc7 b6
    29. Rxc6 $18) 28. Bd6 (28. Be7 $142 {might be the shorter path} a5 29. Rf7 Bg7
    30. bxa5 e3 $18) 28... Nf6 $2 (28... a5 29. b5 cxb5 $18) 29. Rf7 Bd7 (29... b6
    {cannot undo what has already been done} 30. Rf8+ Kg7 31. Ne2 $18) 30. Nh5 Nxh5
    31. Bxh5 Rd8 32. g4 Bg7 (32... b6 $18 {doesn't get the bull off the ice}) 33.
    g5 {White prepares f6} (33. Bc7 Bxf5 34. Bxd8 Bxg4 35. Rxg7+ Kxg7 36. Bxg4 $18)
    33... Be8 34. Rxb7 $4 {
    Sacrifices material. letting the wind out of his own sails} (34. Rxg7+ $142 {
    White has the better game} Kxg7 35. f6+ Kh7 36. f7 Bxf7 37. Bxf7 $18) 34...
    Bxh5 $14 35. Rxa7 d4 36. f6 {White threatens to win material: f6xg7} Bh8 $4 (
    36... Bf8 37. Be7 Bxe7 38. fxe7 $14 (38. Rxe7 $4 d3 39. Rg7+ Kh8 $19)) 37. Re7
    $4 {releasing the pressure on the opponent} (37. a4 $142 $18 {
    and White can celebrate victory}) 37... d3 $16 38. Ke1 (38. Rxe4 $2 {
    is nothing because of} d2 39. Rd4 d1=Q+ 40. Rxd1 Bxd1 $19) 38... d2+ $4 {
    another step towards the grave} (38... Ra8 $142 39. Rxe4 Rxa3 $16) 39. Kxd2 $18
    Ra8 40. Rxe4 (40. b5 $5 {makes it even easier for White} cxb5 41. c6 Ra6 $18)
    40... Rxa3 41. f4 Ra2+ 42. Kc3 Bg6 $2 (42... Re2 43. Rd4 Re3+ 44. Kb2 Bxf6 45.
    gxf6 $18) 43. Re5 (43. Re7 {seems even better} Ra3+ 44. Kb2 Rd3 $18) 43... Rf2
    44. Re1 Rf3+ 45. Kd4 Rb3 $2 (45... Bxf6+ 46. gxf6 Kf7 $18) 46. Ke5 Kf7 (46...
    Bd3 $18 {a last effort to resist the inevitable}) 47. f5 Bh5 (47... Ra3 {
    does not win a prize} 48. Kf4 Rf3+ 49. Kxf3 Bxf5 50. Kf4 $18) 48. g6+ (48. Rh1
    $5 {keeps an even firmer grip} Re3+ 49. Kf4 Rf3+ 50. Ke4 Bg4 51. Rh7+ Kg8 52.
    f7+ Kxh7 $18) 48... Bxg6 49. fxg6+ Kxg6 50. Rg1+ Kf7 51. Be7 Rd3 52. Rf1 Rb3 (
    52... Rd7 {there is nothing else anyway} 53. Ke4 Rd2 $18) 53. Kd6 Rxb4 54. Kxc6
    Rb2 (54... Ke6 {is not the saving move} 55. Kc7 $18) 55. Kd5 (55. Kd7 $142 {
    secures the win} Rb7+ 56. Kc8 $18) 55... Rd2+ 56. Ke5 (56. Kc4 Ke6 57. c6 Bxf6
    58. Bxf6 $18 (58. Rxf6+ $6 Kxe7 59. Rg6 Rh2 $11)) 56... Re2+ (56... Rd7 {
    what else?} 57. Ke4 Ke6 $18) 57. Kd6 Rd2+ 58. Kc7 Rd3 (58... Ke6 {
    there is nothing better in the position} 59. c6 Rc2 $18) 59. c6 Rg3 60. Kb7 (
    60. Kd7 Rh3 61. c7 Rd3+ 62. Bd6 Rc3 63. Be5 Rd3+ 64. Kc6 Rb3 65. c8=Q Rb4 66.
    Qd7+ Kf8 67. Bd6+ Kg8 68. Qe8+ Kh7 69. Rh1+ Rh4 70. Rxh4 60... Rb3+ $18 61.
    Kc8 Rb2 62. c7 Rd2 63. Rb1 (63. Kb7 Rd3 64. Rb1 Rh3 65. c8=Q Rg3 66. Rb6 Rf3
    67. Qc4+ Kg6 68. Qg4+ Kf7 69. Qh5+ Kg8 70. Qg6+ Bg7 71. Qxg7 63... Bxf6 (
    63... Rd3 64. Kb7 Rg3 65. c8=Q Rg5 66. Qc4+ Kg6 67. Qg8+ Bg7 68. Qxg7+ Kf5 69.
    Rb5+ Ke4 70. Qxg5 Kd3 71. Rb3+ Kc2 72. Qd5 Kc1 73. Ba3+ Kc2 74. Qd3 64. Bxf6
    Kxf6 (64... Kf8 {does not save the day} 65. Kb8 Kf7 66. Rf1 Rd5 67. Bc3+ Kg6
    68. Rg1+ Rg5 69. Rxg5+ Kxg5 70. Kb7 Kf5 71. c8=Q+ Kf4 72. Qh3 Ke4 73. Bf6 Kf4
    74. Kc6 Ke4 75. Bg5 Kd4 76. Qb3 Ke4 77. Qd5 65. Kb7 Rd7 (65... Rc2 {
    cannot change destiny} 66. Rb5 Ke6 67. c8=Q+ Rxc8 68. Kxc8 Kd6 69. Kb7 Kd7 70.
    Rb6 Kd8 71. Kc6 Ke7 72. Kc7 Kf8 73. Kd6 Kf7 74. Kd7 Kg8 75. Ke6 Kf8 76. Kf6 Kg8
    77. Ra6 Kh7 78. Ra8 Kh6 79. Rh8 66. Kb8 (66. Kb8 Rxc7 67. Kxc7 Ke5 68. Kc6
    Ke4 69. Kc5 Ke3 70. Kd5 Kf4 71. Re1 Kf3 72. Re4 Kg3 73. Ke5 Kf3 74. Kf5 Kg3 75.
    Rf4 Kh3 76. Rf3+ Kg2 77. Kf4 Kh2 78. Rf2+ Kh1 79. Kf3 Kg1 80. Kg3 Kh1 81. Rf1
    (66. Rb5 Rh7 67. Kb8 Rh8+ 68. c8=R Rxc8+ 69. Kxc8 Ke6 70. Kc7 Kf7 71. Kd6 Kf6
    72. Kd7 Kg7 73. Ke6 Kg6 74. Ke7 Kg7 75. Rb6 Kh8 76. Rg6 Kh7 77. Kf7 Kh8 78.
    Rh6 1-0
  7. Standard member DeepThought
    Losing the Thread
    19 Nov '05 11:55 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Well I went over the first variation, I found an error in crafty's
    analysis: move 22 Bf4, it says I should go Nb5. I would never go
    Nb5 because of the bishop take which kills my pawn structure, as
    if I need my pawn structure broken on BOTH sides!.
    If I had to move the knight, and that seems a reasonable enough
    decision, I would go to E6 or E8. E8 doe ...[text shortened]... does it
    stay book? Thanks again.
    Don't like that stuff either, so N-b5 is definitely a boner.
    What's wrong with 22. ... Nb5 ?
  8. Donation !~TONY~!
    1...c5!
    19 Nov '05 16:05
    I didn't look at the whole game, but I think what black should have been looking to play at some point was f4, and I think when White's knight was on f4, I would have kicked it with g5, then played f4 at some point, not trade it off with ..Nh5.
  9. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    19 Nov '05 17:24
    Originally posted by DeepThought
    What's wrong with 22. ... Nb5 ?
    think it would be bad for black to get his pawn structure
    permenently damaged, In only a few moves, white can attack the
    back pawn and double the attack, it looks like I would be stuck
    trying to save a backwards pawn. It just seems to restrict my options.
    So I thought going to E8 with the knight would help defensively and
    keep my pawn structure more or less intact. At least I would not be
    stuck trying to defend a backwards pawn.
  10. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    19 Nov '05 17:24 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by DeepThought
    What's wrong with 22. ... Nb5 ?
    Don't know why but my post duplicated. Might be this new laptop
    I just got, not used to keyboard yet.