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  1. 12 Nov '12 06:28
    Can White forced a win after 1.Bxc5 followed by Rg3??

    Game # Game 9244917
  2. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    12 Nov '12 07:39
    Originally posted by jcmessy
    Can White forced a win after 1.Bxc5 followed by Rg3??
    [fen]r1r3k1/p1q1bp2/1p2p1pQ/2npP2p/3B4/2P4R/PP3PPP/4RNK1--w[/fen]
    Game # Game 9244917
    I don't think so. At least I don't it.
  3. 12 Nov '12 08:33
    Maybe not. But after the trade of my bad Bishop against his good Knight, gives Rg3! a chance of a promising attack, specially on the culminating possible sac. of Rook @ g6 in exchange of @ least
    3 pawns plus etc.. attack on the naked King.
    not mentioning the direct threat of weak h5 (Qxh5).


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  4. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    12 Nov '12 09:20 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by jcmessy
    Maybe not. But after the trade of my bad Bishop against his good Knight, gives Rg3! a chance of a promising attack, specially on the culminating possible sac. of Rook @ g6 in exchange of @ least
    3 pawns plus etc.. attack on the naked King.
    not mentioning the direct threat of weak h5 (Qxh5).

    [fen]r1r3k1/p1q1bp2/1p2p1pQ/2BpP2p/8/2P4R/PP3PPP/4RNK1 -- b[/fen]
    Game# Game 9244917
    Yes, I see what you mean. The h5 pawn will be lost, but I am not clear what will happen after that. I think it does provide an advantage to white and there may be a win there, so it is worth playing. That is, taking the h5 pawn. I am noot sure the sacrifice of the rook is going to be worth it.
  5. 12 Nov '12 10:34
    I don't believe that 1.Bxc5 and 2. Rg3 forces anything. For instance
    after 1. ... bxc5 2.Rg3 Bh4, white achieves not much and has weakened his b-pawn.

    White is still a bit better though, but I would recommend to bring the knight from f1 into play with Ng3 or Nd2. Not Ne3 because after Bf8 the queen has only the g5 square (not f4 because of Nd3) and then Ne4 ends the white attack.
  6. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    12 Nov '12 12:38
    Originally posted by Mephisto2
    I don't believe that 1.Bxc5 and 2. Rg3 forces anything. For instance
    after 1. ... bxc5 2.Rg3 Bh4, white achieves not much and has weakened his b-pawn.

    White is still a bit better though, but I would recommend to bring the knight from f1 into play with Ng3 or Nd2. Not Ne3 because after Bf8 the queen has only the g5 square (not f4 because of Nd3) and then Ne4 ends the white attack.
    I did not notice that Bh4 move. Now he can't win the h-pawn.
  7. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    12 Nov '12 14:29 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    I did not notice that Bh4 move. Now he can't win the h-pawn.
    But maybe Ng3 instead of Rg3 might work to white's advantage. It threatens Nxh5. Then Black moving h4 loses to Ng5 because Black can't play gxh5 because of Re3 and then Rg3+.
  8. 12 Nov '12 14:36
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    But maybe Ng3 instead of Rg3 might work to white's advantage. It threatens Nxh5.
    1. Bxc5 bxc5 2.Ng3 then 2. .... Bf8 and white has nothing
  9. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    12 Nov '12 15:15
    Originally posted by Mephisto2
    1. Bxc5 bxc5 2.Ng3 then 2. .... Bf8 and white has nothing
    1.Bxc5 bxc5 2.Ng3 Bf8 3.Qf4 and then the threat of Nxh5 is renewed. For example, 3...Bg7 4.Nxh5 gxh5 5.Qg5 Qd8 6.Qxh5 and blacks bishop is in danger because White's other rook can be brought up and over too.
  10. 13 Nov '12 07:25
    You mean threatening 7.Qh7+


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  11. Standard member Thequ1ck
    Fast above
    13 Nov '12 08:24
    Is white packing heat?
  12. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    13 Nov '12 10:07 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by jcmessy
    You mean threatening 7.Qh7+

    [fen]r1rq2k1/p4pb1/4p3/2ppP2Q/8/2P4R/PP3PPP/4R1K1 -- b[/fen]
    Game 9244917
    Yes, the immediate threat in the above positon is 7.Qh7+ and 8.Rg3.

    However, if Black moves 6...Kf8 then 7.Qh7 will not work because Black can move 7...Qg5 8.Rg3 Qh6 and White can not win the bishop. So best is...

  13. 14 Nov '12 20:26
    After 1..Kf8; 2.Rg3! (denying black Queen to play g5 square.)
    threatening the obvious 3.Qh7.

    the only best fighting defense for black is to bring his rook to c7
    hoping to help out the weak bishop @ g7. but after 4.Qh7 f6 (only move);
    5.exf6 is terrible for black since Qxf6, is simply meet by 6.Rf3.


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  14. 14 Nov '12 21:12
    the alternative 1..Kg8 would not calm the storm because of
    2.Qh6 and if 2..Qf8; then the last reserved major force 3.Ree3! will
    join the prey. if 3..d4; then 4.Re4 threatening R(e4)g4.


  15. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    15 Nov '12 01:35 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by jcmessy
    the alternative 1..Kg8 would not calm the storm because of
    2.Qh6 and if 2..Qf8; then the last reserved major force 3.Ree3! will
    join the prey. if 3..d4; then 4.Re4 threatening R(e4)g4.


    [fen]r1rq2k1/p4pb1/4p2Q/2ppP3/8/2P3R1/PP3PPP/4R1K1 -- b[/fen]
    Three heads are better than one in this case. It looks like White can get a possible winning advantage sfter all. I did not see it until 2.Rg3 was eliminated. And even then it was diffiicult to see the best continuation. This is something I would have defintely missed in OTB play.