Originally posted by jcmessy Can White forced a win after 1.Bxc5 followed by Rg3??
[fen]r1r3k1/p1q1bp2/1p2p1pQ/2npP2p/3B4/2P4R/PP3PPP/4RNK1--w[/fen]
Game # Game 9244917
Maybe not. But after the trade of my bad Bishop against his good Knight, gives Rg3! a chance of a promising attack, specially on the culminating possible sac. of Rook @ g6 in exchange of @ least
3 pawns plus etc.. attack on the naked King.
not mentioning the direct threat of weak h5 (Qxh5).
Originally posted by jcmessy Maybe not. But after the trade of my bad Bishop against his good Knight, gives Rg3! a chance of a promising attack, specially on the culminating possible sac. of Rook @ g6 in exchange of @ least
3 pawns plus etc.. attack on the naked King.
not mentioning the direct threat of weak h5 (Qxh5).
[fen]r1r3k1/p1q1bp2/1p2p1pQ/2BpP2p/8/2P4R/PP3PPP/4RNK1 -- b[/fen]
Game# Game 9244917
Yes, I see what you mean. The h5 pawn will be lost, but I am not clear what will happen after that. I think it does provide an advantage to white and there may be a win there, so it is worth playing. That is, taking the h5 pawn. I am noot sure the sacrifice of the rook is going to be worth it.
I don't believe that 1.Bxc5 and 2. Rg3 forces anything. For instance
after 1. ... bxc5 2.Rg3 Bh4, white achieves not much and has weakened his b-pawn.
White is still a bit better though, but I would recommend to bring the knight from f1 into play with Ng3 or Nd2. Not Ne3 because after Bf8 the queen has only the g5 square (not f4 because of Nd3) and then Ne4 ends the white attack.
Originally posted by Mephisto2 I don't believe that 1.Bxc5 and 2. Rg3 forces anything. For instance
after 1. ... bxc5 2.Rg3 Bh4, white achieves not much and has weakened his b-pawn.
White is still a bit better though, but I would recommend to bring the knight from f1 into play with Ng3 or Nd2. Not Ne3 because after Bf8 the queen has only the g5 square (not f4 because of Nd3) and then Ne4 ends the white attack.
I did not notice that Bh4 move. Now he can't win the h-pawn.
Originally posted by RJHinds I did not notice that Bh4 move. Now he can't win the h-pawn.
But maybe Ng3 instead of Rg3 might work to white's advantage. It threatens Nxh5. Then Black moving h4 loses to Ng5 because Black can't play gxh5 because of Re3 and then Rg3+.
Originally posted by Mephisto2 1. Bxc5 bxc5 2.Ng3 then 2. .... Bf8 and white has nothing
1.Bxc5 bxc5 2.Ng3 Bf8 3.Qf4 and then the threat of Nxh5 is renewed. For example, 3...Bg7 4.Nxh5 gxh5 5.Qg5 Qd8 6.Qxh5 and blacks bishop is in danger because White's other rook can be brought up and over too.
[FEN "r1rq1k2/p4pb1/4p3/2ppP2Q/8/2P4R/PP3PPP/4R1K1 w - - 0 7"] 7.Rg3 Kg8 {On 7...Qc7 8.Qg5 wins the bishop} 8.Qh6 Qf8 9.Ree3 {threatening to double the rooks on the g-file}
After 1..Kf8; 2.Rg3! (denying black Queen to play g5 square.)
threatening the obvious 3.Qh7.
the only best fighting defense for black is to bring his rook to c7
hoping to help out the weak bishop @ g7. but after 4.Qh7 f6 (only move);
5.exf6 is terrible for black since Qxf6, is simply meet by 6.Rf3.
the alternative 1..Kg8 would not calm the storm because of
2.Qh6 and if 2..Qf8; then the last reserved major force 3.Ree3! will
join the prey. if 3..d4; then 4.Re4 threatening R(e4)g4.
Originally posted by jcmessy the alternative 1..Kg8 would not calm the storm because of
2.Qh6 and if 2..Qf8; then the last reserved major force 3.Ree3! will
join the prey. if 3..d4; then 4.Re4 threatening R(e4)g4.
Three heads are better than one in this case. It looks like White can get a possible winning advantage sfter all. I did not see it until 2.Rg3 was eliminated. And even then it was diffiicult to see the best continuation. This is something I would have defintely missed in OTB play.
Attack that went smoke...
12 Nov '12 06:28
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