18 Oct 11
1. I seem to enjoy playing more as black.
2. I actually win a higher percentage of my games as black.
Is it simply that point 2 occurs because of point 1 or is there something else about my chess game [or lack of] that would explain it? Can anyone advise?
Thanks in advance.
18 Oct 11
Originally posted by DiscoFingerzit could be psychological, with white we are told that there shoulkd be an advantage
1. I seem to enjoy playing more as black.
2. I actually win a higher percentage of my games as black.
Is it simply that point 2 occurs because of point 1 or is there something else about my chess game [or lack of] that would explain it? Can anyone advise?
Thanks in advance.
with the first move, therefore we may press too hard in situations which demand
restraint and patience, alternatively, perhaps you feel more comfortable defending
against an attack, or it could be think that players spend a disproportionate amount of
time on their black repertoires than they do their white ones. I dunno, but i think the
phenomena is common at our level.
18 Oct 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSeems to fit with me too
it could be psychological, with white we are told that there shoulkd be an advantage
with the first move, therefore we may press too hard in situations which demand
restraint and patience, alternatively, perhaps you feel more comfortable defending
against an attack, or it could be think that players spend a disproportionate amount of
time on ...[text shortened]... ires than they do their white ones. I dunno, but i think the
phenomena is common at our level.
I win less but also lose less as black, getting significantly more draws than as white. That is almost definitely due to the psychological "I should attack" feeling as white and "I should be wary" feeling as black, at least initially...
18 Oct 11
once there was a thread discussing the win percentage phenomenon. at gm level, the single tempo of the opening for white makes a huge difference, often a draw as black is considered actually a win. but at lower levels this tempo is usually lost anyhow somewhere - so it becomes more important what you are comfortable with, or like to play...
18 Oct 11
Originally posted by morgskido you think it might help to play a defensive system as white, simply a tempo up?
Seems to fit with me too
I win less but also lose less as black, getting significantly more draws than as white. That is almost definitely due to the psychological "I should attack" feeling as white and "I should be wary" feeling as black, at least initially...
18 Oct 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI'd have to change my style of play completely Robbie. Is it even possible to play a reverse Scandinavian? (or what was it GP called it? Centre Counter? How do you counter the centre if you have the right to move there first?). A Reverse Sicilian might be fun too, although completely inappropriate and probably unsound.
do you think it might help to play a defensive system as white, simply a tempo up?
I think there's a name for a defensive system as white... Colle? 😉
18 Oct 11
Originally posted by morgskii think we must be true to ourselves at least, Sicilian reversed is just an English, tis it
I'd have to change my style of play completely Robbie. Is it even possible to play a reverse Scandinavian? (or what was it GP called it? Centre Counter? How do you counter the centre if you have the right to move there first?). A Reverse Sicilian might be fun too, although completely inappropriate and probably unsound.
I think there's a name for a defensive system as white... Colle? 😉
not? thus it appears to me that instead of having a different line for each of our
opponents defences, just by way of example, we play 1.e4, we can expect many
replies, Modern, Pirc, French (spit ding!), Scandinavian, Caro Khan, Ruy Lopez, Latvian
Gambit, Elephant gambit, Scicilian (classical, Dragon, Shev, Najdorf,etc etc), would it
not be better to dictate the choice of weapon from the very beginning, drastically
cutting down our need to learn all that theory? even further to this would it not be
better to play similar lines with black as with white? thus English could be our main
choice as white and Sicilian/benoni as black.
18 Oct 11
The common opinion is that at the club level there is no inherent advantage to the first move as it is offset by getting to play one's "system".
The irony is so many club players are worried about having to know theory that they are willing to give up the first move advantage to play "their system" and therefor both sides are battling to play their theory instead of relying on their talent.
It's also a general rule that a Class B player will drop about a "pawn" every 7-8 moves vs a master. So we can also see why the first move might not matter so much at the club level.
18 Oct 11
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Originally posted by nimzo5as has been established, the so called first move advantage is practically useless at
The common opinion is that at the club level there is no inherent advantage to the first move as it is offset by getting to play one's "system".
The irony is so many club players are worried about having to know theory that they are willing to give up the first move advantage to play "their system" and therefor both sides are battling to play their theory aster. So we can also see why the first move might not matter so much at the club level.
club level, unless of course your in the 2700's club, it is therefore a trade off between
playing a system that you know and are comfortable with against an advantage that is
hard to realise at club level. I have seen games where amateurs beat masters,
grandmasters in fact, simply because they are more familiar with their systems.
18 Oct 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI want some pgn's of amateurs beating GM's- I suspect it wasn't because of an opening.
as has been established, the so called first move advantage is practically useless at
club level, unless of course your in the 2700's club, it is therefore a trade off between
playing a system that you know and are comfortable with against an advantage that is
hard to realise at club level. I have seen games where amateurs beat masters,
grandmasters in fact, simply because they are more familiar with their systems.
They also say that below 2600 their is no real advantage to the bishop pair... it shouldn't stop the club player from trying to realize the advantage in their games.
If a player has no aspirations of improving then by all means play 1.b3, Na3, f4 etc.
If you want to improve you have to be exposed to chess ideas instead of hiding behind system play.