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Bidhop's or Knight's ?

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I am sure this a matter of personal preference but i was wondering what you guys think. I am playing a lot of games and seem to be sacrificing knight's for bishop's all the time, but i have found a lot of people do vice versa. I think Knights are good for openings and bishop's are better in latter stages. I have never read a chess book in my life and dont want to spoil my gung ho approach to the game, but what is most people's preference and why ?

Cheers for the input guys.

King Croc 😵 😵 😵 😵 😵

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Dont ask me what BIDHOP'S are.......😵

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Bidhops can only cover one color... but move around the board much quicker.

Many say Bidhops are better than Knights, but Knights switch color on every move.

I prefer the knights, but will trade either way.

P-

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Originally posted by Phlabibit
Bidhops can only cover one color... but move around the board much quicker.

Many say Bidhops are better than Knights, but Knights switch color on every move.

I prefer the knights, but will trade either way.

P-
I didnt even realise that knights changed colour every move. 500+ games and i had not worked that out for myself. Nice comment thanks. 😳

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Originally posted by Croc
I am sure this a matter of personal preference but i was wondering what you guys think. I am playing a lot of games and seem to be sacrificing knight's for bishop's all the time, but i have found a lot of people do vice versa. I think Knight ...[text shortened]... d why ?

Cheers for the input guys.

King Croc 😵 😵 😵 😵 😵
Generally, two bishops on an open board are better than two knights - because the bishops together can cover all the squares on the board, and are very powerful when their way is not blocked by pawns. That's why it's said that if you trade a bishop for a knight, you are giving up the "two bishop advantage".

Wheter it will be realized as an actual advantage in the game or not depends on how the position unfolds; bishops need open diagonals to display their full power, while knights are generally stronger in closed positions, on account of their ability to jump over pieces.

So whether you should exchange a bishop for a knight, or the other way around, should depend on what sort of a plan you have for the game, what it is that you are aiming for. If your opponent has the two bishops advantage, then you might want to avoid opening up the game too much, to take full advantage of your knights and restrict the power of your opponent's bishops.

So on the whole, I think the bishops and knights have equal value in principle, but what their actual value in a game is depends on the position, and how the position allows you to make use of them.

-Jarno

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Originally posted by Pyrrho
Generally, two bishops on an open board are better than two knights - because the bishops together can cover all the squares on the board, and are very powerful when their way is not blocked by pawns. That's why it's said that if you trade a bishop for a knight, you are giving up the "two bishop advantage".

Wheter it will be realized as an actual adva ...[text shortened]... game is depends on the position, and how the position allows you to make use of them.

-Jarno
Thanks makes for very interesting reading. 😀

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Play a lot of games and you'll soon realize which situations make one better...
Most masters hold onto bishops in the hopes of having the "advantage of the two bishops" in the endgame...

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One thing to consider is that it easier to mate with bishop/king than knight/king. 😀

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Originally posted by captainchaos
One thing to consider is that it easier to mate with bishop/king than knight/king. 😀
What mate is there with bishop and king?????

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Originally posted by hypermo2001
What mate is there with bishop and king?????
None, just as there is no mate with merely knight and king.

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Originally posted by bbarr
None, just as there is no mate with merely knight and king.
Yeah, not sure what captainchaos was talking about

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Originally posted by hypermo2001
Yeah, not sure what captainchaos was talking about
Perhaps he meant that although mates are possible with pairs of knights and pairs of bishops, mating with the bishop pair is easier.

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Mating with a knight pair can't be forced like a bishop pair can.

Feivel the Freethinker

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Originally posted by Croc
I am sure this a matter of personal preference but i was wondering what you guys think. I am playing a lot of games and seem to be sacrificing knight's for bishop's all the time, but i have found a lot of people do vice versa. I think Knights are good for openings and bishop's are better in latter stages. I have never read a chess book in my life and dont wa ...[text shortened]... s most people's preference and why ?

Cheers for the input guys.

King Croc 😵 😵 😵 😵 😵
I remember reading a Chess for Children book, which gave pawn equivilents of knight=3 pawns, while a bishop=3.5 pawns (incidently, rook=5 and queen=9). Don't know if this is any help or not.

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Originally posted by stephenwale
I remember reading a Chess for Children book, which gave pawn equivilents of knight=3 pawns, while a bishop=3.5 pawns (incidently, rook=5 and queen=9). Don't know if this is any help or not.
those values should only be thought of as "averages"...they can change by a lot as the board/position changes.
In the case of a board locked by many pawns a bishop could be worth less than 2! while the knight might be worth something like 4.