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  1. Standard member ivan2908
    SelfProclaimedTitler
    15 Mar '08 02:05
    What is exactly the point and what are the plusses of it ?
  2. Standard member irontigran
    Rob Scheider is..
    15 Mar '08 02:11
    Originally posted by ivan2908
    What is exactly the point and what are the plusses of it ?
    do you mean birds opening? 1.f4 .. ?
    i dont know a system but ill check..
  3. 15 Mar '08 02:41
    I likes it when i start with black only because its a fast way to take a long diagonal.
  4. 15 Mar '08 08:31
    If ...e5 ...d6, don't take the second gambit pawn. Unless, of course, you expect divine intervention
  5. 15 Mar '08 11:09
    search fischer vs larsen 1971

    i think you'll find that his bird opening worked wonders.
  6. Standard member Ramned
    The Rams
    15 Mar '08 14:27
    Originally posted by ivan2908
    What is exactly the point and what are the plusses of it ?
    Get ceders in here to discuss what he likes about it.
  7. 15 Mar '08 14:38
    Originally posted by Ramned
    Get ceders in here to discuss what he likes about it.
    Or tmetzler...

    What attracted me was the similarity to the Dutch Defence with black. I have played the Dutch for quite a while now, and it suits me very well, so I thought I'd give the Bird a try, too. Another advantage is that very likely your opponent won't be very familiar with it.
  8. 15 Mar '08 15:07
    Originally posted by dzhafner
    If ...e5 ...d6, don't take the second gambit pawn. Unless, of course, you expect divine intervention

    Ehm....
    In the From countergambit, white can equalise or win but you should play very carefully.
    In the Yugoslavian small encyclopaedia (ECO A02), the very few variations they give are = or complex.
    I played it sometimes (e.g. Lasker variation 1. f4 e5 2. fxe5 d6 3. exd6 Bxd6 4. Nf3 g5) and I managed to get good results.

    Nevertheless, it's very special and difficult.

    When I play f4, I expect rather d5 and a kind of reversed Dutch defense.
    After 1. ... e5, when I'm lazy, I hit directly 2. e5 and transpose to the King's gambit.

    Cheers
    GG
  9. 15 Mar '08 18:25
    Originally posted by 4gats

    [...]

    After 1. ... e5, when I'm lazy, I hit directly 2. e5 and transpose to the King's gambit.
    [/b]
    2. e4, of course...

    Cheers
    GG
  10. 15 Mar '08 19:06
    the closest thing to a bird system is dutch stonewall reversed

    with f4,Nf3,e3,d4,Bd3 and maybe c3 if they push with c5
    the only thing bad about this opening is having the hole on e4

    if you want to attack the center try and push e4 and or c4

    if you want to attack there king castle and do QE1 then Qh4 and maybe even push g4 and attack there king with everything you got


  11. 16 Mar '08 14:30
    Originally posted by ivan2908
    What is exactly the point and what are the plusses of it ?
    if your still interested in the bird ivan, i have compiled over 2,500 games in an archive that all contain the bird opening. with games from fischer, darkthought vs shredder, novikov, malaniuk, danielson, and bird himself

    if your interested, let me know and i'll pop it onto my website and you'll have a rather large, and strong bird system database.

    Cheers
    -Adorea
  12. 16 Mar '08 16:05
    Originally posted by Adorea
    if your still interested in the bird ivan, i have compiled over 2,500 games in an archive that all contain the bird opening. with games from fischer, darkthought vs shredder, novikov, malaniuk, danielson, and bird himself

    if your interested, let me know and i'll pop it onto my website and you'll have a rather large, and strong bird system database.

    Cheers
    -Adorea
    I'm interested.
  13. 16 Mar '08 16:53
    Originally posted by diskamyl
    I'm interested.
    Me too.
  14. Standard member irontigran
    Rob Scheider is..
    16 Mar '08 18:04
    also interested!
  15. 16 Mar '08 18:08
    i love it... i give commentary on my annotated games against a machine...super chess player.... and nobody is interested.

    i offer a 2500 game DB on an unfamiliar opening for CC players...
    interested...