Has anyone got any games on this opening you would like to share?
I haves only recently discovered it and would like to look at other versions of it.
Here is a game I have just finished
Game 2300972
Transposing to the french is good if you like to play that but I prefer something like this:
1.d4,d5
2.e4?,dxe4
3.f3,Nf6
4.Nc3,exf3
5.Nxf3,e6
6.Bg5,Be7
7.Bd3,c5 (not Nc6!Black needs to challenge the center)
8.dxc5,Qa5
9.O-O,Qxc5+
10.Kh1,Nbd7
Where is white's compensation for the pawn?
Not saying it can't be played,it wouldn't be the first time I lose such a game.But in those games the result wasn't determined by the opening.
Originally posted by GorgarI just looked through that line, and I have a few questions....
Transposing to the french is good if you like to play that but I prefer something like this:
1.d4,d5
2.e4?,dxe4
3.f3,Nf6
4.Nc3,exf3
5.Nxf3,e6
6.Bg5,Be7
7.Bd3,c5 (not Nc6!Black needs to challenge the center)
8.dxc5,Qa5
9.O-O,Qxc5+
10.Kh1,Nbd7
Where is white's compensation for the pawn?
Not saying it can't be played,it wouldn't be the first time I lose such a game.But in those games the result wasn't determined by the opening.
3.f3? according to (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/explorer) the most popular response after "1. d4 d5 2. e4 dxe4" is Nc3, which has been played in 300 games as opposed to 3. f3 which has been played only 8 times.
Perhaps f3 is the wrong plan white should be following to equalise/gain advantage.
this page: -
http://www.geocities.com/athens/acropolis/4902/
has quite a bit of info on it.
Originally posted by ShinidokiThe move f3 is the whole point of the Blackmar-Diemer gambit!
I just looked through that line, and I have a few questions....
3.f3? according to (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/explorer) the most popular response after "1. d4 d5 2. e4 dxe4" is Nc3, which has been played in 300 games as opposed to 3. f3 which has been played only 8 times.
Perhaps f3 is the wrong plan white should be following to equalise/gain ...[text shortened]... is page: -
http://www.geocities.com/athens/acropolis/4902/
has quite a bit of info on it.
Sure,3.Nc3 is more common.It is followed by 4.f3(which by now is probably white's best move) after which we've reached the same position as in the line I gave.
1d4,d5
2.e4,dxe4
3.Nc3,Nf6
4.f3,exf3
5.Nxf3,e6
etc....
Quoting from the site you linked us to:
"To have a BDG you have to have Nc3 and f3 in there. And of course if the gambit is accepted you have to have exf3."
I think 2.e4 is the wrong plan rather than 3.f3 or 4.f3
Originally posted by Fat LadyI'll take your word for that.I'm no expert on the BDG,I just learned 1 line to play against it so to me the move order doesn't matter cause I'll always play that 1 line.
The move order is important. If 1.d4 d5 2.e4 dxe4 3.f3 (the original Blackmar Gambit) then Black has 3...e5! as a very strong option. The Blackmar Diemer, 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 is much more playable for White in my opinion.
the immediate 3. f3 shares the same problem with the Danish Gambit, in that 3. ...e5! (3. ...d5! in the Danish) cripples it.
The only problem I have with playing the BDG (through transposition of course: 1. e4 d5 2. d4) is that damn 2. ...c6. The Caro-Kann really messes with my attacking style. The french (2. ...e6) is fine for me since I enjoy games with the closed center and wing play that it can bring.
The only problem I have with playing the BDG (through transposition of course: 1. e4 d5 2. d4) is that damn 2. ...c6. The Caro-Kann really messes with my attacking style. The french (2. ...e6) is fine for me since I enjoy games with the closed center and wing play that it can bring.[/b]If your an attacking player, the 2 knights variation is pretty sharp
just finished playing a game there using the opening...
Game 2357163
8 moves in I'm castled, I've 2 open files, my rook is already on one, and my bishops/knights are also on good attacking squares... all for a pawn. I like this opening. Well, I think it's good at my level of play, don't know if u would see it used at a higher level though?!
Originally posted by onyx2006There's this quote by,I think,Rizzitano.
just finished playing a game there using the opening...
Game 2357163
8 moves in I'm castled, I've 2 open files, my rook is already on one, and my bishops/knights are also on good attacking squares... all for a pawn. I like this opening. Well, I think it's good at my level of play, don't know if u would see it used at a higher level though?!
"If a titled player even so much as dreamt of playing the BDG he should wake up and apologise!"
