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greenpawn34

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Hi,

This is for PBE6.

You posted two games. You wanted feedback.

I was not going to say anything till I saw how flipant
you were in treating your blunder in the 2nd game you posted.

Discussions about the rest of the game and what you were intending
are totally pointless if you are going to fall for the first two move
trick that happens along.

Game 2 Game 6122917 was chucked through a clumsy blunder.

22...exd4? you then said:

"I was trying to be clever..."

What's the point of posting a game and asking for someone to go over it
if you are not going to be honest to yourself.

You were not trying to be clever. You missed a simple trick.

And What happened to the Rule of Thumb about capturing towards the centre?
After 22...cxd4! you are OK and if anything have the pull.

You have an advantage in C.C. over OTB - you get to look at
the move on your board before you play it.

Before you clicked 'send move' this position after 22...exd4? was staring at you.



Did alarm bells not ring?
Where is your sense of danger?
What where you doing? Admiring your two Bishops?

90% of the players on here are missing simple tactics.

(and then NOT admitting to themselves the fact they missed a two move trick
and it's nothing to be worred about. till the next one and the next one and.....)

Basic Queen & Bishop mating patterns (missed in both games).

You missed a mate with Queen and Bishop in the first game (the one you are fond of)

Game 6122836

You went off and nicked a b-pawn. with 29.Qxb5.
Yet 29.Qf3+ Kg7 30.Qf7+ Kg6 and 31.Bf5 must mate.

Then there was this quote from game one:

"I'm trying to implement the concepts from Silman's "Reassess Your Chess."

I'll reassess your chess and it won't cost you £14.95.

Close the Silman book.

Somewhere in your chess library, covered in dust, will be a book on
simple standadrd tactics. Read it.

(part 2)

You did not ask for feedback on this game of yours. Game 6120088.

But it fits this post. (Queen & Bishop battery).

Now this is a good game. There is a foundation in place,
you have the makings of being a good player.
You just need kicking out of your comfort zone and
slapped with a bit or reality.

Your tactical ability and awareness are below par.

Let's have a wee look at the game that gives me hope.

A good effort this, however. You misplayed the attack and your
opponent missed a simply defensive resource which you allowed
him to have.

In a lot of the games under 2000 the defender goes down because they
miss a defensive resource and an unsound attack wins.

So go over that game again and find the 19th White move that
makes your attack work.

Then find Black's 22nd move in the actual game that would have stopped your attack.

here are the answers - don't peek.

Your Move 19

19.Nxd5 first then exf6 it is important to get tactics in the right move order.


Black's move 22 the missed defensive resource.

22...Qxd5+ 23.Kh1 Qh5 very simple.


A sensible flowing game, nice build up, then it went all wonky when
the hand to hand fighting started.

You have to admit there is a weakness here.

I tried to get the attack home without 11.a3.
I can see why you played it, to stop Nb4 hunting that Bishop on d3.
I hate stopping for moves like a3. it nags me. It kind of makes
the Knight going to a6 look good.

I come close but no coconut.



That works but peel back: 14...Re8 and 15...Bf8 stops that little number.

Why am I showing you an unsound variation?

Ideas. Now you have another trick how to crack that pawn formation
with a hit on g7 and a masked attack on h7.
And how to defend against it.

(by the way you won't get that idea from a computer, doubt if it
will even consider that line - it's unsound. But 14...Nb4
is the human move, it's why the Knight went to a6.

So if you are playing against a box then stop it because your job is
to punish unsound human errors, the type a box does not play.)

So it's a solid week of tactical studies for you my friend.
Polish up your tactics, get your sense of danger sharpened up.

Right I've finished with you. Now onto your partner in crime.

Romanticus don't think you are getting out of this lightly.

That is how you give feedback.

You do not litter their game with cute chummy notes and silly little smiley faces.

His last words were "Fire away! So I have and hit him both barrels.

He might not like what I say, but he won't forget it.

All he had to say was my tactical play is a bit weak I must work
on it then none of this would have happened.

Can one of you guys who know where the tactical puzzles site are
post a few links to help out BP76 just in case he does not have
a book on tactics.

I don't know where they are - I don't need them.

(If you don't have a book on tactics BP then PM me your address
and I'll send you one - free).

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Originally posted by greenpawn34
Hi,

This is for [b]PBE6.


You posted two games. You wanted feedback.

I was not going to say anything till I saw how flipant
you were in treating your blunder in the 2nd game you posted.

Discussions about the rest of the game and what you were intending
are totally pointless if you are going to fall for the first two move
trick that hap ...[text shortened]... tactics BP then PM me your address
and I'll send you one - free).[/b]
sure thing Pawn dude, anything to help someone get rid if a Silman book, spit ding!

http://chesstempo.com

R

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I apologise for being friendly.It won't happen again.

S
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Originally posted by Romanticus
I apologise for being friendly.It won't happen again.
Oh, please. In the other thread, you invited others to make mincemeat of your analysis. You got exactly what you asked for.

This has nothing to do with being friendly, and everything to do with analyzing games accurately and objectively, which is exactly what is needed for improvement. There is no other way for it but to take a long, hard look at the weaknesses in your own play.

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Originally posted by SwissGambit
Oh, please. In the other thread, you invited others to make mincemeat of your analysis. You got exactly what you asked for.

This has nothing to do with being friendly, and everything to do with analyzing games honestly, which is exactly what is needed for improvement. There is no other way for it but to take a long, hard look at the weaknesses in your own play.
What "oh please"?I'm not offended.Was I complaining?If I understand GP's comments correct then the only remark he had about my analyses is that I was too friendly.Yet it has nothing to do with that??In my analyses was I not being honest?Did I not point out the mistakes I think I saw?
The only difference I see is that I chose to say "Instead of 'X' I'd think 'Y' is better." while GP says it more like "What WHERE you thinking?!?You missed a 2 move trick a drunk would've spotted!!"
I do not have enough confidence in my analyses to adress a person that way.Nor do I believe it is necessary for them to remember what I said.

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Originally posted by Romanticus
What "oh please"?I'm not offended.Was I complaining?If I understand GP's comments correct then the only remark he had about my analyses is that I was too friendly.Yet it has nothing to do with that??In my analyses was I not being honest?Did I not point out the mistakes I think I saw?
The only difference I see is that I chose to say "Instead of 'X' I'd th person that way.Nor do I believe it is necessary for them to remember what I said.
You really ought to leave spaces between your sentences.

As I read it, the main complaint of GP is not that your analysis was too friendly, but rather that it was too wishy-washy. And yes, they need to remember what you say if your analysis is actually going to help them.

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Originally posted by SwissGambit
You really ought to leave spaces between your sentences.

As I read it, the main complaint of GP is not that your analysis was too friendly, but rather that it was too wishy-washy. And yes, they need to remember what you say if your analysis is actually going to help them.
What does wishy-washy mean?

Yes,they need to remember what I said.Obviously LOL
I meant I do not think it's necessary to do things GP style for people to remember what you said.

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Originally posted by Romanticus
What does wishy-washy mean?

Yes,they need to remember what I said.Obviously LOL
I meant I do not think it's necessary to do things GP style for people to remember what you said.
wish⋅y-wash⋅y
1. lacking in decisiveness; without strength or character; irresolute.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/wishy-washy

greenpawn34

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Originally posted by Romanticus
What does wishy-washy mean?

Yes,they need to remember what I said.Obviously LOL
I meant I do not think it's necessary to do things GP style for people to remember what you said.
Sorry but I call it like I see it.

You really did not do the lad any favours with your notes -
his tactical play sucks. you should have jumped all over him.

I only know the one approach. In your face .

It's a jungle out there. If he continues missing tricks and
has no sense of danger he will get eaten alive.

Two ways to really learn at chess - a defeat (the best way)
or getting your face rubbed in it.

I've lost my share of games and have been ripped to shreds by
some very good players - the latter stings but it was worth it.
And everytime I pocketed a wad of cash or pulled off a clever trick
I thanked them.

He asked for feedback remember.

I put a lot of time and research into that post.
(That's your fault for not doing your job in first place)

He can come back screaming and shouting if he wants.

Or he may like to know the last player I gave a rollicking
like that too recently beat a GM in OTB play.

I think you do have things to contribute but you do need
clout these guys. If not then everybody is wasting their time.

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Originally posted by greenpawn34
Sorry but I call it like I see it.

You really did not do the lad any favours with your notes -
his tactical play sucks. you should have jumped all over him.

I only know the one approach. In your face .

It's a jungle out there. If he continues missing tricks and
has no sense of danger he will get eaten alive.

Two ways to really learn at ...[text shortened]... o contribute but you do need
clout these guys. If not then everybody is wasting their time.
I did point out the final tactical mistake.I just don't see the need to 'jump all over them'.It's not my style and I don't believe it's the only way people will remember.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that,I guess.

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