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  1. 04 Sep '07 22:49
    1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e5!? 3.dxe5 4.Ng4

    Any thoughts on this? Anyone played it or have example games?
  2. 04 Sep '07 22:54
    I used to play it and I found that most of the time I ended up with a slightly worse position as Black in a position where it was difficult to drum up counterplay.
  3. Standard member Dutch Defense
    Stealer of Souls
    04 Sep '07 23:23 / 2 edits
    I have this game going right now with revgard Game 3986338

    DON'T COMMENT!
  4. 04 Sep '07 23:57
    I'm rather comfortable with this line as White: 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e5 3 de Ng4 5 e4 Ne5 6 f4 Ng6. Black has some very dynamic lines if White tries to hang onto the pawn.
  5. 05 Sep '07 01:16
    If white elimenates all of blacks tricky mates or sacrafices he has doubled bishops against your inactive white bishop and rook. I prefer to play against queen pawn openings the regular way after trying it several times, the higher rated players will just draw the games if not win them.
  6. 05 Sep '07 07:47
    Originally posted by ChessJester
    1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e5!? 3.dxe5 4.Ng4

    Any thoughts on this? Anyone played it or have example games?
    I have tried the 4. e3 followed by 5. Nh3 idea in several games mostly OTB.
    The idea is to strong point d5 when the N comes to f4. There is not a huge amount of theory, and it tends to leader to quieter, more positional games.

    I won this one Game 3494579
    and drew this one Game 3508089

    I have never tried the Budapest as Black.
  7. Standard member Climacus
    Anti-Climacus
    05 Sep '07 10:34
    Game 3579917
    Game 3728016
    Game 3715962
    Game 3707464

    I think I've lost twice and won five or six times playing Budabest gambit as black (I'll try to dig up the rest of the games). I haven't played it against a player rated higher than me though.
  8. 05 Sep '07 11:14 / 1 edit
    For what it's worth.On this site Black won 46% vs White 36% with the Budapest.
  9. 06 Sep '07 12:05
    I've been playing the Budapest over the board and online for quite a while and I've always found the mainline 3. ...Ng4 4.Nf3 Bc5 5.e3 Nc6 to be very playable for black as you get active piece play and some attacking chances. It's important to get in a5 and Ra6 in this line. I've attached a recent game for you.Game 3792228

    In the other lines black generally equalises althought the play is not as much fun. The key thing with the Budapest is that most players don't really know it too well so if you play with it a lot you can do quite well with it. I'd agree with some other posts though that it can be risky against high graded opponents.
  10. 06 Sep '07 12:13
    Originally posted by Intermezzo
    I've been playing the Budapest over the board and online for quite a while and I've always found the mainline 3. ...Ng4 4.Nf3 Bc5 5.e3 Nc6 to be very playable for black as you get active piece play and some attacking chances. It's important to get in a5 and Ra6 in this line. I've attached a recent game for you.Game 3792228

    In the other lines blac ...[text shortened]... I'd agree with some other posts though that it can be risky against high graded opponents.
    In your game...white 21 Bc4 Nxc4 Qxc4 followed by Q trade would simplify the position for white. after that he will be 2 pawns up against the B pair...+- in my opinion
  11. 06 Sep '07 22:15
    Had a book on it. Played it in a cc game, botched it and lost. Tried it in an otb game, botched it and lost. Gave it up. Threw away book.
  12. 06 Sep '07 22:37
    this looks really interesting, somone wana play a couple unrated's (me as black) against me?
  13. 06 Sep '07 22:41
    Originally posted by c guy1
    this looks really interesting, somone wana play a couple unrated's (me as black) against me?
    Sure.

    Playing one right now: Game 3986441
  14. 06 Sep '07 23:18
    Originally posted by Akashic
    Sure.

    Playing one right now: Game 3986441
    your not taking any challenges below 1600...
  15. 06 Sep '07 23:20
    Originally posted by c guy1
    your not taking any challenges below 1600...
    Sorry about that, try again now.