Chess piece values

Originally posted by marinakatomb
It is not the pieces off the board that win a game, it is the pieces on the board!!!

Originally posted by Bowmann
It is often the case, in fact, that the pieces 'off the board' do win the game.

For instance, when a Prawn is turned into a Queen she jumps onto the board at precisely this moment.

My approach is to use the traditional values given in the first post to determine material balance. The situation on the board determines which of the remaining pieces are really the most valuable.

Consider a king and pawn can sometimes win against king and bishop, but the side with the bishop can never win, so you'd have to say the pawn is more valuable than the bishop.

Originally posted by xs
Only if assuming the Queen has been previously removed. As it is possible to have two Queens, the pawn is promoted and there's no jump.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/danheisman/Articles/evaluation%5Fof%5Fmaterial%5Fimbalance.htm

Originally posted by UncleBucket
When I first learned to play, the rule of thumb values for Chess pieces were pawn=1, bishop=3, knight=3, rook=5 and queen=9. I've seen other value systems including one which may have been more accurate but used fractions and was too complicated, eg. queen=25¾ !

I wondered if anyone has any variations on my value system, or a different valuation me ...[text shortened]... able than bishops in an end game situation in which it's possible to entirely avoid a bishop...

Originally posted by Bowmann
You seem to be missing the point. An old Queen has nothing to do with it. All new Queens must come from somewhere and so must already exist. Chess isn't magic.

Since these new Queens (or "SuperQueens" as they are often known) do exist and yet cannot already be on the board, they must therefore exist 'off the board'.

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
LOL. Chess philosophy!

New Queens did formerly exist - but they were Pawns. The Pawns get transformed to Queens like caterpillars get transformed to butterflies.

Originally posted by THUDandBLUNDER
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/danheisman/Articles/evaluation%5Fof%5Fmaterial%5Fimbalance.htm

Originally posted by Bowmann
You seem to be missing the point. An old Queen has nothing to do with it. All new Queens must come from somewhere and so must already exist. Chess isn't magic.

Originally posted by marinakatomb
Hmmm, nah. When a pawn reaches the 8th rank a Queen is created.

I really didn't know piece values until my friend told me that it was;

Pawn-1
Bishop,Knight-3
Rook-5
Queen-8
King-(-42)

But really piece values depend on the players and the game. Most of the time I feel that Bishops>Knights but only by a little.

the values of the pieces are roughly as follows:
pawn=1
bishop=3.5
knight=3.5
rook=5
queen=10
king=very much😏

however, it very much depends on the position:

in crowded pawn formation, a knight values much more than a bishop, and depending on the pos even more than a rook

in the endgame bishops are better than knights and to rooks are better than a queen
and so on

Originally posted by benkoboy
I've heard that a fianchettoed bishop is worth the same as a rook.

You don't know what you're talking about. A Queen and pawn versus two rooks? I'd rather have the hooker and the runt any day! Those king+rook Queen forks are calling.