Originally posted by vipiuI posted this when I was tired I am tired right now and should probably go to bed. I mean I posted this after your pm with the solution to Qxf2+ but trust me there is another solution!
after seeing this statement I started to doubt in the correctness of the other solution...
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the answer with best defense is this
1....Rd8!?
2. Be3 Qc4
3. Qd2{3. Kf1 Nc1+ 4. Qd3 Qxd3+ 5. Kg1 Qd1+ 6. Bf1 Bh3 7. Rxc1 Qxc1
8. Bxc1 Rd1 9. Bf4 Rxf1# (this is the neatest one)}
Nf4+
4. Kd1 Qe2+
5. Kc1 Rxd2
6. Bxd2 Qc4+
7. Kd1 Qa2
8. Bxf4 Rd8+
9. Ke1 Qxb1+
10. Bc1 Qxc1+
11. Ke2 Qd2#
there are many other variations that all lead to mate but I am not going to put them all here. Nobody is likely to find the best defense OTB.
Originally posted by tomtom232Why would anyone look for a mate in 11 when they have a mate in 4? That's one thing that separates strong players from weak players. Strong players don't mess around with dicey lines when they have a simple win available.
the answer with best defense is this
1....Rd8!?
2. Be3 Qc4
3. Qd2{3. Kf1 Nc1+ 4. Qd3 Qxd3+ 5. Kg1 Qd1+ 6. Bf1 Bh3 7. Rxc1 Qxc1
8. Bxc1 Rd1 9. Bf4 Rxf1# (this is the neatest one)}
Nf4+
4. Kd1 Qe2+
5. Kc1 Rxd2
6. Bxd2 Qc4+
7. Kd1 Qa2
8. Bxf4 Rd8+
9. Ke1 Qxb1+
10. Bc1 Qxc1+
11. Ke2 Qd2#
there are many other variations t ...[text shortened]... to mate but I am not going to put them all here. Nobody is likely to find the best defense OTB.
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Originally posted by SwissGambitthe point is that most players would get mated in less than 11 and players less than 1600 would probably not find Be3 and get mated in four moves.
Why would anyone look for a mate in 11 when they have a mate in 4? That's one thing that separates strong players from weak players. Strong players don't mess around with dicey lines when they have a simple win available.
Oh and it was just a problem I set out for the challeng not for the quickest mate. And a lot of strong players would play the mate in 11 just to show off with their calculating abilities
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Originally posted by tomtom232Most players would get mated in less than 11 because Black has an obvious line with forcing checks that mates in 4.
the point is that most players would get mated in less than 11 and players less than 1600 would probably not find Be3 and get mated in four moves.
Oh and it was just a problem I set out for the challeng not for the quickest mate. And a lot of strong players would play the mate in 11 just to show off with their calculating abilities
Because of the existence of this mate, the problem is not challenging at all. As the puzzle creator, you should see to it that there are no shorter solutions if you want your solvers to find the 'challenging' solution.
And finally, strong players wouldn't even bother to look for the mate in 11, because the 1...Qxf2+ line is such an obvious, quick win. Just look back in the thread. You have 1800+ rated players who found the #4 and stopped there.
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Originally posted by SwissGambitAnd when they found that one I stipulated as a challenge to find a different one. Its just a challenge not what you would play in your game as that is up to you.
Most players would get mated in less than 11 because Black has an obvious line with forcing checks that mates in 4.
Because of the existence of this mate, the problem is not challenging at all. As the puzzle creator, you should see to it that there are no shorter solutions if you want your solvers to find the 'challenging' solution.
And fina ust look back in the thread. You have 1800+ rated players who found the #4 and stopped there.
Finally as a rebuttle to your remark about making sure there are no shorter solutions I will just make the stipulation white to move mate in 11. That will mean that the shorter mate isn't the solution to this problem.
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Originally posted by tomtom232Essentially what you're asking is this:
And when they found that one I stipulated as a challenge to find a different one. Its just a challenge not what you would play in your game as that is up to you.
Finally as a rebuttle to your remark about making sure there are no shorter solutions I will just make the stipulation white to move mate in 11. That will mean that the shorter mate isn't the solution to this problem.
Ignore a strong move, and find a weaker move instead. However, after the weaker move is made, go back to looking for the strongest moves for both sides again.See how ridiculous that sounds?
Finally as a rebuttle to your remark about making sure there are no shorter solutions I will just make the stipulation white to move mate in 11. That will mean that the shorter mate isn't the solution to this problem.
First, you'd better make it Black to move.
Second, nobody wants to see problems with short solutions. Those are called "unsound", or "cooked", and deserve to be trashed [if the cooks cannot be fixed].
Third, it only makes you, the presenter, look bad. People will think you've missed the shorter solution. They'll also think your problems are unsound and not worth attention.