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1. 29 Jun '06 18:22
Game 2178494

I did win but barely. Is there something i could of done during any part of the game to make the win easer. And was i right to take the rook with my queen on move 21?

Thanks for any advice!
2.  BigDoggProblem
29 Jun '06 19:36
Originally posted by jfine73
Game 2178494

I did win but barely. Is there something i could of done during any part of the game to make the win easer. And was i right to take the rook with my queen on move 21?

Thanks for any advice!
Interesting game. Instincts tell me that you sac of Q for R is probably not sound, but refuting it is another matter.

What would you have done if White played 23.Qe2, with the idea of g4, g3 and Kg2, escaping the pin?
3. 29 Jun '06 19:45
Originally posted by jfine73
Game 2178494

I did win but barely. Is there something i could of done during any part of the game to make the win easer. And was i right to take the rook with my queen on move 21?

Thanks for any advice!
no of course not, i don't see you winning after 22.Qe2 at best you might pull a draw. whereas before you are up a pawn with nothing to fear really. even 28.h4 should give white strong chances.

As for making the win easier on yourself how about 17...Rxc2! 18.Qxc2? Rxf1+ 19.Kxf1 Qf8+ folowed by Bxa1 leaves you in a very solid position up two pawns. with a BvN without blocking off the bishop via e5
4. 29 Jun '06 19:47
Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
Interesting game. Instincts tell me that you sac of Q for R is probably not sound, but refuting it is another matter.

What would you have done if White played 23.Qe2, with the idea of g4, g3 and Kg2, escaping the pin?
well i always had a seperate plan of pushing pawns to: e6 then the other to d5, then just kinda cont. from there pushing those 2 pawns up to a good position that either threaten the queen or knight

but if the king was able to get out on the g file then i would say it would not be looking good for me...
5. 29 Jun '06 21:28
he would have won the game ne ways if the Qe2 move comes along black is superrior with his pawns position and bishop. his knight has no outposts
6. 29 Jun '06 21:52
Originally posted by kmac27
he would have won the game ne ways if the Qe2 move comes along black is superrior with his pawns position and bishop. his knight has no outposts
thats BS how about those light squares in the middle plus how is he supposed to push his pawns whereas white can push kingside pawns and open up the board. queen will then dominate. Besides why trade a queen for a rook when you don't have to and it gives you no concrete edge? easier to play slow and win easy.
7. 29 Jun '06 22:38
Originally posted by aginis
no of course not, i don't see you winning after 22.Qe2 at best you might pull a draw. whereas before you are up a pawn with nothing to fear really. even 28.h4 should give white strong chances.

As for making the win easier on yourself how about 17...Rxc2! 18.Qxc2? Rxf1+ 19.Kxf1 Qf8+ folowed by Bxa1 leaves you in a very solid position up two pawns. with a BvN without blocking off the bishop via e5
Your line doesn't make any sense dude. why would he play kxf1 when Rxf1 looks much better?
8.  BigDoggProblem
30 Jun '06 06:24
Originally posted by cmsMaster
Your line doesn't make any sense dude. why would he play kxf1 when Rxf1 looks much better?
He can't play Rxf1 because there is an N on d1 blocking the Rook.
9. 30 Jun '06 07:19 / 1 edit
Originally posted by cmsMaster
Your line doesn't make any sense dude. why would he play kxf1 when Rxf1 looks much better?
What bigdogg said.
Don't tell me i give bad advice if you can't even take the time to read my post accurately.
10. 30 Jun '06 19:46
Originally posted by aginis
What bigdogg said.
Don't tell me i give bad advice if you can't even take the time to read my post accurately.
Meh, I was looking at it from move 16.
11. 01 Jul '06 00:40 / 1 edit
At move 18 just play Rf1 19. Rf1 e5 and you have a really solid grip on the position.

Your sac does have a few stings in the tail but it doesn't work. If your pawn mass was further advanced there might have been a chance of causing some problems before the white king has a chance to break the pin.

At move 31. black's best try is Be5 winning the g3 pawn but after:

32.Nd1 Bg3+ 33. Kg1 e6 34. Qc2 Ra1 35. Kf1 white's problems are over.

Instead of the horrible blunder 32. Nc2?? white should probably try 32. gh4 with the idea that after Be5+ 33. g3 Rb2 34. Nc2 d5 35.cd5 ed5 36. a4 Rb3 37. Qd2 Rg3? 38. Qd5! and white has slipped the net.
12. 01 Jul '06 04:20
thanks for all the advice guys, taking 17: Rxc2! 18.Qxc2? Rxf1+ 19.Kxf1 Qf8+ did pass my mind except the Qf8+... for some reason it never passed my mind (and if it did, im sure thats what i woulda done).

another idea that passed my mind was (instead of taking the rook):

21. Bxe3 22. Rxf8+ Kxf8 and going on from there threatening mate with rook once again (except without the pin)

once again thanks for the advice, i was really suprised when he resigned
13. 01 Jul '06 04:40 / 1 edit
Originally posted by jfine73
thanks for all the advice guys, taking 17: Rxc2! 18.Qxc2? Rxf1+ 19.Kxf1 Qf8+ did pass my mind except the Qf8+... for some reason it never passed my mind (and if it did, im sure thats what i woulda done).

another idea that passed my mind was (instead of taking the rook):

21. Bxe3 22. Rxf8+ Kxf8 and going on from there threatening mate with rook once aga ...[text shortened]... ept without the pin)

once again thanks for the advice, i was really suprised when he resigned
Don`t be surprised, he was mate in two or had to change knigth and queen for rock.

After 33.Kh1 Bf2+ 34. Kh2 B*g3 mate
or 33. Kh1 Bf2+ 34. Ne1 R*e1 35.Q*e1 B*e1 and I wouldn`t like to see miself in these position as white.