I cannot for my life understand the prejudice against these tools. For decades they have been an accepted part of correspondence play. Top-level over-the-board players use them in preparation and during adjournment. They generally have several books' worth of opening heory committed to memory as well. If I use a book to help choose my fourth move, for example, who could think for a red second that anything but my own ability will get me through the impending middle-game, which is sure to be absolutely full of brand new, undocumented positions?
I learned how to mate with B+B+K vs. K by reading a book. Am I now never allowed to perform that mate if I earn myself such a material advantage over an opponent? All twenty possible opening moves by White can be found discussed in a book somewhere, so should I resign without moving as White if I happen to have read all those books?
Why stop at opening books and databases? Am I not allowed to practice tactics by solving chess problems in a book, or to study over grandmaster endgame for fear that I might actually learn something and become a better player than the next guy?
I partly agree with u in that there is nothing wrong with aquiring new knowledge. Even to the extent of looking up prospective opponents games in learning their strategy would be fine 4 me.
What I would have a problem with if you were busy reading up the database/opening whilst actually engaged in play. If you want to do that I suggest that it be a non-rated game and lots of messages between the players, like saying it is recommended that the black plays... That way both players can learn.
Way back in the dark ages @ school our teacher used to choose an opening (4 a week) and the first few moves had to be from that opening. Then ppl can learn from experience what to do in different openings
Originally posted by PhlabibitHere it is:
I didn't find any info about database or computers in these rules... did I miss them?
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CONSULTATION:
a. Players are free to consult chess publications or literature, in printed or electronic form. Advise from another chess player is strictly forbidden.
b. The use of a chess engine (such as Chessmaster, Fritz, Rebel, etc.) or any other form of electronic consultation is strictly forbidden.
Originally posted by ivanhoeThis is from that same page..... Questions and Answer section.
Here it is:
CONSULTATION:
a. Players are free to consult chess publications or literature, in printed or electronic form. Advise from another chess player is strictly forbidden.
b. The use of a chess engine (such as Chessmaster, Fritz, Rebel, etc.) or any other form of electronic consultation is strictly forbidden.
Q. Can I consult my games database or chess books for ideas on playing my games?
A. Yes, but move generating chess engines (such as Chessmaster) are not allowed without permission in advance from opponent and Director. Refer to the rule#8 for our official policy.
So it still stands the same... Engines bad... database fine.
Originally posted by milessWhy would your opponent give you advice on the next move to make? If you agree to talk about your game with your opponent it is fine since you both do it in the same game...
So my comment of chatting to an opponent whilst discussing opening strategies could be considered a breach of this rule?
Just don't get help, or help another player in a game... I've been asked advice by clan members more than once and I tell them I can't suggest a move... but they should just keep to their basic ideas about control in the center and such...
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Originally posted by PhlabibitMyself and miless played a very quick (all moves in one sitting 🙂 ) game earlier, in which we discussed the general theme and ideas of the opening during the game. We were not discussing our next moves, rather highlighting poor moves made previously. I was lucky, he picked my favourite opening so it was easy to play through and explain what Whites ideas were. Without being patronizing, he is a good player, because he picked up on his own weak moves, and more importantly mine! (I played a suspect line in order to show the reasoning behind the opening).
Why would your opponent give you advice on the next move to make? If you agree to talk about your game with your opponent it is fine since you both do it in the same game...
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Originally posted by derek9037gregoftheweb and I have been playing unrated games using Sicilian. Unrated just so I am not vamping extra points off a low rated player.
Myself and miless played a very quick (all moves in one siiting 🙂 )game earlier, in which we discussed the general theme and ideas of the opening during the game. We were not discussing our next moves, rather highlighting poor moves made previously. I was lucky, he picked my favourite opening so it was easy to play through and explain what Whites ideas we ...[text shortened]... e importantly mine! (I played a suspect line in order to show the reasoning behind the opening).
chewie and I played a good game and talked about stuff like that.
I asked Skeeter for an unrated game and we talk a little about control of the center.
I like "learn, learn, learn" chess... weather I am teaching or learning!
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Originally posted by PhlabibitWe played a rated game, but shared the points, which seems fair all round 😉
I like "learn, learn, learn" chess... weather I am teaching or learning!
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But yes I agree, I too enjoy both, although it's many years since I was at my best. I do spend a lot of time studying my lost games, if someone is prepared to help me, all the better 😀
huntingbear: You have every right to use a database and opening books in either book form or electronic form. This is a long standing permitted practice by ALL major correspondence chess federations for many, many years.
Some may disagree with you here. However, those individuals I assume to be either new to correspondence/email chess play or simply uninform about what is permitted.
Chess playing engines, on the other hand, are prohibited by most, but not all, correspondence chess federations. One must read the rules for each federation to determine whether chess engines are allowed.