Hi DT.
A good thought but I never sensed any play for Black when he resigned.
If he had 0-0 and can get the a8 Knight yes play on but Black pieces
tread on each other toes and there is a a g5-f6 threat sitting there.
White can possibly 0-0-0 has Rh1-h2 - d2 ideas and getting that a8
Knight is going to prove costly in time. meanwhile White will
be knocking on the door.
However back here.
I wanted to just leave the Queen on d5 and 0-0-0 and after
Nxd5 Nxd5 there are some ideas - still losing but there is play.
Retreating the Queen gives you a poxy horrid position with no play.
White could make 10 not exact moves on the trot and you will still
not be able to create anything.
But the Queen sac sets a few traps, unsettles, narrows down the choice,
and there is hope, it also means you can out in style.
Though as always this is from an OTB perspective.
On here it will almost certianly fail - but you never know.
11...Bd7 cutting off the Queens retreat was a bit clumsy.
but the baddie was here...
6...e6. I bet the c8 bishop liked that one?
6...c6 (base for the f6 Kngiht in case of e5) or 6...Bg7 and 0-0. and c6
Originally posted by greenpawn34Hi greenpawn, I agree about the queen sac and your last point about 6. ... e6 being pants, although I´d tend to try to find something non-committal such as Bg7 and try to keep Q-side castling an option rather than go for 6. ... c6 straightaway.
Hi DT.
A good thought but I never sensed any play for Black when he resigned.
[fen]N2k3r/pp1bqpbp/2n2np1/4pP2/4P1PP/P3BQ2/1P6/R3KBNR b KQ - 0 15[/fen]
If he had 0-0 and can get the a8 Knight yes play on but Black pieces
tread on each other toes and there is a a g5-f6 threat sitting there.
White can possibly 0-0-0 has Rh1-h2 - d2 ideas and g ...[text shortened]... shop liked that one?
6...c6 (base for the f6 Kngiht in case of e5) or 6...Bg7 and 0-0. and c6
I agree that it only makes sense not to resign if there is some reason outside the game, in this case it loses the possibility of winning the clan challenge (a tie is still possible), Sometimes when a player is winning one game they concentrate more on that one and mess up the other one from the pair, And I´ve messed up positions as good as that (eg. Game 5719290).
In terms of chess, I agree that black´s best hope is probably white undergoing a pre-frontal lobotomy during the game. But black doesn´t need to castle to get the knight, the king should probably head towards a8 anyway so that the pawn storm is not against the king´s position - I´d start with 15. ... Kc8 and hope nothing bad happens - the knight can´t escape so there´s no hurry to get it, the main danger is it damaging the remaining Q-side pawns, This also gives the rook freedom to move along the back rank in the region that white´s king is. and may be able to generate threats against black´s king as the pawn storm proceeds. The problem is, as you pointed out, the uncoordinated mess the king-side pieces are in.
Hi DT.
Apears we agree it was a wretched positon to play on from.
Depressing prospects is a good way of summing up.
As you said, you took your eye off the ball in the game you posted.
Black to play:
35...dxe5?
and no sympathy I'm afraid DT. I've seen some of your games,
you are not a bad player, you cannot chalk this up to being low graded.
You had this position in front of you before you sent your move.
What did you think he was going to do? Move his Queen?
Chack all checks my friend, check all checks.
(and watch those unprotected pieces - even queens)
Philidors Legacy does not only work on the Kingside.
Did you intend after Qxe5+ Kc8 and then only discover that
Ne7+ wins the loose Queen.
That's a bad one, but good to see you shared it.
Let others benfit from your demonstration of how to turn victory
into defeat.
Don't worry about it, learn from it, leave the worrying to those
who cannot yet get into a won position to throw away.
Originally posted by greenpawn34ouch!
Hi DT.
Apears we agree it was a wretched positon to play on from.
Depressing prospects is a good way of summing up.
As you said, you took your eye off the ball in the game you posted.
Black to play:
[fen]1k1r3r/pp6/3p4/q2NP2p/3Q4/3P2P1/5BKP/8 b - - 0 33[/fen]
35...dxe5?
and no sympathy I'm afraid DT. I've seen some of your games,
you ...[text shortened]... from it, leave the worrying to those
who cannot yet get into a won position to throw away.
but i've done worse than that (somehow quite proud of it actually), just the day before yesterday: I was 2 pieces up, guess what? I lost concentration and interest for the game, I was now going for his king, but he attacked my advanced rook so I played it back quickly, you know, I'm two pieces up, what is he gonna do? Someone who looses two pieces for nothing isn't going to recover, right? my oponent simply forked it! but that wasn't enough to waken me up. Just as despair (someone who looses a rook like that is bound to despair) settled in, i played another move or two and walked into a mate in two. I'd like to show it to you but it was OTB and I didn't keep score. But always when you feel down because you made a bad move think about that orion25 dude and you'll instantly feel you're a great chess player, heck you can't be worse than him, right? Cheers
Extracts from above post by greenpawn34Sometimes my brain just refuses to accept that there´s a problem. I can´t remember what I was thinking about, I suspect I just made an ¨automatic¨ capture without working out the consequences.
and no sympathy I'm afraid DT. I've seen some of your games, you are not a bad player, you cannot chalk this up to being low graded.
You had this position in front of you before you sent your move.
FEN wos here
What did you think he was going to do? Move his Queen?
To make up for it the other game of the pair was a true comedy of errors - luckily for me my opponent made the final mistake:
10. ... Qe3+ wins for black, and if he does it on move 11 that is also winning. It saves him on move 12. I didn´t see the problem until after the game when I went through it with an engine...
Hi DT.
as you say you missed his Qe3+ but still won.
Yes - 'what goes around comes around.'
Caissa has a wonderful sense of humour, She often takes away with
one hand and gives back with the other.
That's two games shown both containing the same errors.
Not Checking all Checks and Unprotected Pieces
Two very common errors and eaily eradicated from one's play.
In a way it's a pity you won because you never got the lesson,
You did not feel the burn.
The sting of falling into a two move trick.
If you had lost this game on move 10 (as you should have).
Then you may not have blundered in the other game you lost
because you will have learned all about checks and unprotected pieces.
Caissa is trying to help you - don't ignore her.
Before you make the move you have decided on - checks all checks
and look at all unprotected pieces.
Copy this and stick it in your profile. (there should be room).
"Before I move I will check all checks and look at unprotected pieces
to see if there are any two moves tricks on."
Infact Everyone do it. because I'm sick of saying it and seeing
game after game after game after game with players falling for two
movers involving checks and unprotected pieces.😉
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Originally posted by greenpawn34brilliant 😳
Hi trev - terrible game by Black but a brilliant profile from you - thanks.
thanks for looking at the game i would've never thought about the queen sac, still gives me a winning position but he could have caused a few problems.
at our level he did resign to early though imo but i would've backed myself to close it out for the win.