Originally posted by Helder OctavioCool. I can't think of another serious example from good Master games where the Q didn't move (except the trivial examples where she gets exchanged on d8/d1 early on.) Anyone know of any others?
[fen]3q3k/pp4p1/2bbn1PB/5p2/4r3/5N1Q/PPr4P/R4R1K b - - - 30[/fen]
30. ... Rh4! 0-1
And the Q of Lasker didn´t move all game long...
Originally posted by Papyn ChaseThanks for the link! The game mentioned in that link where that happened is against Topalov though...
I know a story about Kasparov not moving his queen even once in a 40+moves game against Piket...
Originally posted by XanthosNZCool. In the search for curiousa, perhaps the criteria needs narrowing. Any games with significant # moves and good players where *neither* player moved their queen, say?
This isn't as horribly uncommon as one might think. Remember, not moving the queen is not the same as her not being there.
To see just how common this was I applied some filters to my TWIC database (containing TWIC updates totalling 500k recent games). With filters of ~b???d1x? (black doesn't take a piece on d1), ~wQd1?? (white does not move a queen fro ...[text shortened]...
Also Magnus Carlsen fits the filter I put in twice in the past year which is quite amusing.
Originally posted by TommyCNothing exceeding 30 moves with players over 2500. Longest I can find overall (remember the test database contains almost exclusively *master games) is:
Cool. In the search for curiousa, perhaps the criteria needs narrowing. Any games with significant # moves and good players where *neither* player moved their queen, say?
Originally posted by XanthosNZI think there must be an error in that PGN - so many of the moves don't make sense.
Nothing exceeding 30 moves with players over 2500. Longest I can find overall (remember the test database contains almost exclusively *master games) is:
Zolnierowicz,K (2287) - Schmidt,W (2435) [C00]
5th Amplico AIG Life Warsaw POL (8), 17.12.2005
1.e4 e6 2.e5 c5 3.c3 d5 4.exd6 Bxd6 5.d4 Nf6 6.Nf3 Nc6 7.dxc5 Bxc5 8.Bb5 Bd7 9.0-0 a6 10.Bxc6 Bxc6 11.N ...[text shortened]... 32.Nfxd3 Kxd6 33.Ne5+ 0-1
[fen]3q3r/1b6/p2kpp1p/1p2N1p1/2r4P/2P3P1/P7/1RNQ2K1 b - - 0 33[/fen]
Originally posted by TommyCWho knows. I didn't play it, I just found it.
I think there must be an error in that PGN - so many of the moves don't make sense.
Eg, not 14. Nxf7? Not 14. ... Nxe5? Not 20. Q or N xd3? Not 22. exd5? Not 23. or 25. ... Qxb6? etc - there are many more!
Originally posted by Helder Octavioyes he did need a queen. otherwise white could have won simply by playing
Maroczy-Lasker, New York, 1924
1. e4 Nf6 2. Nc3 d5 3. e5 Nfd7 4. d4 e6 5. Nce2 c5 6. c3 Nc6 7. f4 Be7 8. Nf3 0-0 9. g3 cxd4 10. cxd4 Nb6 11. Bh3 Bd7 12. 0-0 Rc8 13. g4 f6 14. exf6 Bxf6 15. g5 Be7 16. Kh1 Nc4 17. Nc3 Bb4 18. Qe2 Re8 19. Qd3 Nd6 20. f5 Nxf5 21. Nxd5 Bd6 22. Bxf5 exf5 23. Nf4 Re4 24. Qb ...[text shortened]... d the Q of Lasker didn´t move all game long...
EDIT - score Lasker-Maroczy, 1896/1924: 5-2-1!
Originally posted by XanthosNZCute, a good find. Thanks.
Who knows. I didn't play it, I just found it.
Bielicki,C (2289) - Bentancor,F (2177) [E63]
II American Continental Buenos Aires ARG (4), 21.08.2003
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.g3 Bg7 4.Bg2 0-0 5.Nc3 d6 6.Nf3 Nc6 7.0-0 a6 8.Bg5 Bg4 9.Rc1 Nd7 10.d5 Bxf3 11.exf3 Nd4 12.Re1 Re8 13.Re4 h6 14.Be3 e5 15.dxe6 Nxe6 16.Bd2 c6 17.Re1 Ne5 18.Bf1 Nd4 19. ...[text shortened]... Rc4 Rxc4 33.bxc4 c2 0-1
[fen]3q2k1/5pb1/R5pp/8/1PP2P2/3p2P1/2p2P1P/3Q2K1 w - - 0 34[/fen]