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I think the games are about to start now. Does anyone know how it will be broadcasted online? I guess playchess requires membership to watch, or I just couldn't figure it out as guest. I'd appreciate any info.

Edit: OK I guess there was something wrong with Playchess at the moment I wrote this post. It's being broadcasted right now.

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Probably at FICS. They relay most of the big tournaments.

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seems to be on at ICC with mig greengard and nick de firmian. I'd guess you can sign up for the free 7-day trial?

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You might try the official tournament website as well:

http://www.sparkassen-chess-meeting.de/livegames/livegames.html

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Originally posted by wormwood
seems to be on at ICC with mig greengard and nick de firmian. I'd guess you can sign up for the free 7-day trial?
My 7 day trail period there has already passed, and I guess it's not necessary to sign up again. Playchess does broadcast it right now, they probably have delayed it because of the recent cheating accusations.

what's up with Kramnik's ...Nc6 anyway? why would he allow doubled pawns, normally I thought that type of move had the idea of developing the rook early into the game with ...Rb8, but white too has an open file there, so black will have no advantage. any ideas? perhaps the bishop pair? or to meet White's Rb2 and eliminate his advantage? I really really dislike doubled pawns, probably it's patzerish, but I can't help it (maybe it's because I'm a patzer 🙂).



(last move ...Nc6 by black -Kramnik)

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Originally posted by diskamyl
My 7 day trail period there has already passed, and I guess it's not necessary to sign up again. Playchess does broadcast it right now, they probably have delayed it because of the recent cheating accusations.

what's up with Kramnik's ...Nc6 anyway? why would he allow doubled pawns, normally I thought that type of move had the idea of developing the roo ...[text shortened]... 1Bp5/3PP3/2P2N2/P4PPP/R1BQK2R w KQkq - 0 9[/fen]

(last move ...Nc6 by black -Kramnik)
I have no idea, but apparently it's something kasparov has played. 🙂 I didn't hear the whole story, but greengard & de firmian were talking something like that when I opened the broadcast...

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Originally posted by diskamyl
My 7 day trail period there has already passed, and I guess it's not necessary to sign up again. Playchess does broadcast it right now, they probably have delayed it because of the recent cheating accusations.

what's up with Kramnik's ...Nc6 anyway? why would he allow doubled pawns, normally I thought that type of move had the idea of developing the roo ...[text shortened]... 1Bp5/3PP3/2P2N2/P4PPP/R1BQK2R w KQkq - 0 9[/fen]

(last move ...Nc6 by black -Kramnik)
?? after he trades pawns on d4 they wouldn't be doubled any more ...

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Originally posted by wormwood
I have no idea, but apparently it's something kasparov has played. 🙂 I didn't hear the whole story, but greengard & de firmian were talking something like that when I opened the broadcast...
OK now that ...Nc6 has caused Kramnik to have two isolated pawns against white's one, and both seem like nice targets for white. White also seems to have a nice pawn center. I would do everything not to let those happen, you know. Nor the doubled pawns in the previous FEN.

One thing about super GM level chess that surprises me is their flexibility about some principles which my whole understanding of chess strategy rely upon. Black not only let Bxc6 happen, it provoked it by ...Bg4.

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Originally posted by diskamyl
My 7 day trail period there has already passed, and I guess it's not necessary to sign up again. Playchess does broadcast it right now, they probably have delayed it because of the recent cheating accusations.

what's up with Kramnik's ...Nc6 anyway? why would he allow doubled pawns, normally I thought that type of move had the idea of developing the roo ...[text shortened]... 1Bp5/3PP3/2P2N2/P4PPP/R1BQK2R w KQkq - 0 9[/fen]

(last move ...Nc6 by black -Kramnik)
Idea of this move is to make pressure to white center. In such open position exchanging bishop for knight usually is definitely not bad for black Also after exchange c5xd4 these pawns will not be doubled.

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Originally posted by krim
?? after he trades pawns on d4 they wouldn't be doubled any more ...
but they would be isolated?

to Korch: OK, so it's about the bishop pair then.

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Originally posted by diskamyl
OK now that ...Nc6 has caused Kramnik to have two isolated pawns against white's one, and both seem like nice targets for white. White also seems to have a nice pawn center. I would do everything not to let those happen, you know. Nor the doubled pawns in the previous FEN.

One thing about super GM level chess that surprises me is their flexibility about some principles which my whole understanding of chess strategy rely upon.
yeah, it's extremely educational to watch these games just for that. it scraps a lot of positional misunderstandings and even erroneous material thinking for us...

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the current position from Mamedjarow-Leko game.

white to play.

isn't Nb4 winning here?

edit: sorry, I think ...Bxf1 saves it.

edit2: that's what happened in the game. 1.Nb4 Bxf1 2. Nxc6 Rfc8. After that Ne7+ doesn't work I think (...Kh8!).

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Originally posted by diskamyl
the current position from Mamedjarow-Leko game. [fen]r4rk1/p1q2ppp/b1n1p3/2Q5/4P3/P1PN1P2/6PP/R3KB1R w KQ - 0 18[/fen] white to play.

isn't Nb4 winning here?

edit: sorry, I think ...Bxf1 saves it.
Nevermind

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the Gustaffson - Kramnik game ended in a dead draw:

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Mamedjarow - Leko 1/2 - 1/2