endgame position

Yeah, but where is White's breakthough? With Black king on d7 or c7, Black just plays with his bishop.

Originally posted by Zander 88
Yeah, but where is White's breakthough? With Black king on d7 or c7, Black just plays with his bishop.

for example:
1. Be4 Be7 2. Bf3 Kd7 3. Ke5 Bd6+ 4. Kd5 Be7 5. c5 Kc7 6. cxb6+ Kxb6 7. Ke6 Bd8 8. d5 Kc5 9. d6 Kb6 10. Kf7 Kc5 11. d7 Kd6 12. Ke8 Kc7 13. b6+ +-

if you let me play Kd5 then c5 i have 2 passed pawns which is enough for a win

In that line, Black needs to go for the a-pawn, since the d8 bishop guards both of white's passed pawns no?

Originally posted by Zander 88
In that line, Black needs to go for the a-pawn, since the d8 bishop guards both of white's passed pawns no?

HUH?

Bishops of the opposite color tends to be drawish, right? 😕

lol, sorry, let me get this all sorted in my head. I'm trying to figure it out from the diagrams you posted.

Ok, black plays Kc7 instead of Kd6 before White plays Ke8. That way, he can move Bf6. Now I need to see if this position is saved after the bishop sac.

Damn, looks like Black saves himself. Of course, these endgames are always tricky. I'm thinking, following the line you posted with my recommendation, b6+ Kxb6, d8 Bxd8, Kxd8 and then bring the king over to the kingside.

Originally posted by azalin76
Bishops of the opposite color tends to be drawish, right? 😕

Yes, but "tends" is the key word --- they are not always drawn...

Originally posted by Shinidoki
Yes, but "tends" is the key word --- they are not always drawn...

actually i think its a two pawn lead with pawns on opposite sides of the board that is enough to win with off color bishops, on this case the 4-2 majority on the queenside acts as two extra pawns and there are pawns on both sides of the board. plus the black position is cramped which lets the white king get to d5

Ok, White just goes Kd7 before you push to d7. Winning for white in that variation.

Originally posted by Zander 88
Ok, White just goes Kd7 before you push to d7. Winning for white in that variation.

that doesnt make any sense. full thought please (what is the line?)

Following your one line above. I see I screwed up again though since Kc7 is impossible. Anyways, it was at 10. Kf7. 10. Kd7 wins too.

I was thinking Black could save himself after 10. Kf7, but no. So yeah, that line isn't good for Black. So he has to keep the king in the center. I'll look for another defence.

1. Be4, Be7
2. Bf3, Bd8
3. Bg4, Be7
4. Kg6, Bd8
5. Kf7, ??

So far this looks like best play. Hmmm... I would say Black is lost. Nice draw! 🙂

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i would agree with this line.. white's more active B should win it. these sorts of games are often draw-agreed far too prematurely

Wait a minute. Bf8 looks like an interesting idea, with the idea of attack attacking the d4 pawn. I'll put up some concrete variations in a minute.

1. Be4, Be7
2. Bf3, Bf8!

Now two ideas come to mind. 3. Kxg5 and 3. Kg6

3. Kxg5, Bg7
4. c5+, bxc5
5. dxc5+, Kxc5
6. Kxh4

Maybe this is defendable?

Ok, that line above looks winning for White. I checked with Fritz and it likes the line we were analyzing before, but with a different move.

1. Be4, Be7
2. Bf3, Kd7
3. Ke5, Kc7
4. Kd5, Ba3!

Take a look at that position. I gotta complete some games now.