Originally posted by Black Star UchessWell, to paraphrase somebody or other (Gufeld maybe) when asked what he thought about the Samisch variation of the King's Indian...
OK people say it's a bad move but... 3 ...f6 in the Ruy Lopez..
Below's a game from uchess... it's not very sound I'm afraid after move 11, just the most recent case..
For black there is no intention of 0-0 the plan is to use f6 to attack whites castle... also pinning the knight with Bg4 & if possible Bc5 pinning the f2 pawn.
With this in ...[text shortened]... 5 13. g2-g3 f5-f4 14. Be3-c1 Qd8-g5 15. Kg1-g2 f4-f3 16. Kg2-g1 Qg5-h5 17. Nh2xg4 Qh5-h1
Originally posted by EladarBig difference with d-pawn free.
3.f6 reminds me of a bad position for black after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f6. After this white wins at least a pawn with Nxe5 and if black takes the knight things get worse.
In this game, after 3.f6 then 4.Bxc3 dxc3 5.Nxe5 and I think black would be in a similar position, but perhaps with the d pawn out of the way black has better options.
Originally posted by greenpawn34has anyone considered 14. Qxg4 instead?
Managed to get PGN working.
1. e2-e4 e7-e5 2. Ng1-f3 Nb8-c6 3. Bf1-b5 f7-f6 4. O-O Bf8-c5 5. c2-c3 a7-a6 6. Bb5-a4 b7-b5 7. Ba4-b3 d7-d6 8. h2-h3 h7-h5 9. d2-d4 Bc5-a7 10. Bc1-e3 Bc8-g4 11. h3xg4 h5xg4 12. Nf3-h2 f6-f5 13. g2-g3 f5-f4 14. Be3-c1 Qd8-g5 15. Kg1-g2 f4-f3 16. Kg2-g1 Qg5-h5 17. Nh2xg4 Qh5-h1[/pgn]
Originally posted by Black Star Uchess23. Qh5 seems like a waste of moves really...
Here's a better example .. i lost this one on time ... alas but still.
Here white takes the bishop. but the gives back the knight straight away..and it ends up quite even.
But i think 13....0-0-0 was wrong and should have played ...g5 straight away ... might have been something there...
and yes the knight on g8 is totally useless! but i sti ...[text shortened]... c6-c5 25. Rh5-h7 Nf7-d8 26. Nc3-d5 Nd8-c6 27. Rh7-h8 Kc8-b7 28. Rh8-h7 Nc6-b8 29. Rh7xc7[/pgn]