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  1. 08 May '06 22:53
    Philidor's Defense is reached by the moves 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6. It seems to be a great defence... it cramps black but gives a solid defence which is defendable into the endgame... what is whites best bet to breach this defence?
  2. Standard member DeepThought
    Losing the Thread
    08 May '06 23:06
    3. d4
  3. 08 May '06 23:11
    Originally posted by ChessJester
    Philidor's Defense is reached by the moves 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6. It seems to be a great defence... it cramps black but gives a solid defence which is defendable into the endgame... what is whites best bet to breach this defence?
    3.d4 exd4 etc...

    http://www.chessgames.com/perl/explorer?node=538716&move=3&moves=e4.e5.Nf3.d6&nodes=21720.21721.21722.538716
  4. 08 May '06 23:14
    oh yah! lol, of course! so I guess the italian style attack isn't as good right away... which is probably why I was owned. :p
  5. 08 May '06 23:18
    Originally posted by ChessJester
    oh yah! lol, of course! so I guess the italian style attack isn't as good right away... which is probably why I was owned. :p
    Some of the ideas are similar except the knight is on d4. So you have Nd4, Bc4, 0-0, Nc3 etc...

    You can even try to turn it into a gambit with 3.d4 exd4 4.c3 dxc3 5.Nxc3 if your opponent obligizes.
  6. 08 May '06 23:24
    Philidor's defense fell out of favor 200 years ago. Nimzowvich, Alekhine, and Tartakower used it occasionally in the early 1900's, but nobody much plays it anymore among the big boys.
  7. 09 May '06 15:35
    Originally posted by RahimK
    Some of the ideas are similar except the knight is on d4. So you have Nd4, Bc4, 0-0, Nc3 etc...

    You can even try to turn it into a gambit with 3.d4 exd4 4.c3 dxc3 5.Nxc3 if your opponent obligizes.
    Is it a good move for black to pin the Kings knight with Bg4?

    I think that the Carro-kann is popular these days... I am starting to learn it... but there are alot of traps to watch out for.
  8. 09 May '06 16:04
    Originally posted by ChessJester
    Is it a good move for black to pin the Kings knight with Bg4?

    I think that the Carro-kann is popular these days... I am starting to learn it... but there are alot of traps to watch out for.
    http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1233404
  9. 09 May '06 17:28
    Originally posted by ChessJester
    Is it a good move for black to pin the Kings knight with Bg4?

    I think that the Carro-kann is popular these days... I am starting to learn it... but there are alot of traps to watch out for.
    Not really, d4 for White and if ...BxN White gets the two bishops for nothing.
  10. 09 May '06 19:45
    Originally posted by schakuhr
    http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1233404
    Argg, you beat me to the punch. That's such a great game!
  11. 09 May '06 20:05
    Originally posted by RahimK
    Argg, you beat me to the punch. That's such a great game!
    Yes it is... wowZA! white totally took full advantage there.
  12. 09 May '06 22:31
    Originally posted by ChessJester
    Yes it is... wowZA! white totally took full advantage there.
    All the moves are very logical. I like the move which prevents black for trade of the queens. Very nice. See this site. It's great and explains the moves very nicely. It's sort of guess the move.

    http://www.chesskids.com/level3/cl9l7.htm
  13. Standard member BlueEyedRook
    Ol' Blue Eyes
    10 May '06 01:42
    I love the Philidor, and I play it almost exclusively. One piece of advice though, I only occassionally see 3. d4 (the "correct" move). Instead, far more common, is 3. Bc4. I struggled with this "incorrect" move because very few chess opening books (even ones dedicated to the Philidor!) spend much time on it.

    If you play the Philidor, get ready for 3. Bc4.

    http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12798710&postID=112416017957140016