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  1. Standard membervivify
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    21 Jun '13 01:025 edits
    My latest RHP win, as black. The rest of the game is average, but go to move #22.

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  2. Subscribergreenpawn34
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    21 Jun '13 01:44
    Hi Viv

    Nice sensible opening and I do like the Knight sac to feint an attack
    on the Bishop when your real target was the King.
    And that is the game. Checkmate. Excellent!

    However......when you Queen was on c3 it was pinning that d2 Knight
    and that d2 Knight was doing an important job.
  3. Standard membervivify
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    21 Jun '13 03:423 edits
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    Hi Viv

    Nice sensible opening and I do like the Knight sac to feint an attack
    on the Bishop when your real target was the King.
    And that is the game. Checkmate. Excellent!

    However......when you Queen was on c3 it was pinning that d2 Knight
    and that d2 Knight was doing an important job.
    Thanks GP.

    Regarding white's knight, I don't think it could've done anything to help, unless you see something I don't. If white blocks check with the knight instead of the bishop:

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  4. Standard memberKnightStalker47
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    21 Jun '13 04:371 edit
    Originally posted by vivify
    Thanks GP.

    Regarding white's knight, I don't think it could've done anything to help, unless you see something I don't. If white blocks check with the knight instead of the bishop:

    [pgn][Date "????.??.??"]
    [Result "*"]
    [FEN "5rk1/6pp/8/3pQ3/1P1Pp1P1/B1qbP2P/3N3R/4K3 b - - 0 1"]

    1...Qa1+ 2.Nb1 Qxb1+ 3.Kd2 Qc2+ 4.Ke1 Rf1#
    *[/pgn]
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  5. Standard memberRJHinds
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    21 Jun '13 05:021 edit
    Originally posted by vivify
    My latest RHP win, as black. The rest of the game is average, but go to move #22.

    [pgn][Event "Open invite"]
    [Site "http://www.redhotpawn.com"]
    [Date "2013.06.13"]
    [EndDate "2013.06.21"]
    [Round "?"]
    [White "Rock49"]
    [Black "vivify"]
    [WhiteRating "1381"]
    [BlackRating "1299"]
    [WhiteElo "1381"]
    [BlackElo "1299"]
    [Result "0-1"]
    [GameId "10075139"] he bishop I want.} Qc2c3 27. Qg3e5 Qc3a1 28. Ba3c1 Qa1xc1 0-1[/pgn]
    Actually you missed a mate in one.
    28...Rf1#

    Oh. I see someone else already posted it.

    The Instructor
  6. Standard membervivify
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    21 Jun '13 11:30
    Actually, I see what GP was talking about. I forgot that the knight was pinned; I saw it, but thought the knight would capture the rook. But as GP said, the knight was pinned, and it should've been mate in one.

    Thanks for pointing this out.
  7. Donationketchuplover
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    21 Jun '13 11:35
    Nice vivification 🙂
  8. Subscribergreenpawn34
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    21 Jun '13 11:571 edit
    Don't kick yourself too hard Viv.

    You saw the winning idea and stuck to it.
    Me, you, everyone here and in the real world has missed quicker wins.
    Morphy, Tal, Fischer......

    I never saw the Knight sac in the few seconds I looked at the game before clicking on.
    After he played 34.fxg4 the position is open to all kinds of ideas.

    I was looking at the mating patterns from here.


    If the d2 Knight was not a Knight then Rf1 mate.
    If that Rook was not covering e2 then Rf1+ NxR Qe2 Mate.
    The Rook is being held by a Queen undo that and the d2 Knight in pinned.
    (mental note Rf1+ won't work as NxR holds h2.)

    That c1 Bishop is hanging to Rc8, which can give a stem idea also
    saccing the Knight. (the clue to a Knight sac being in the title.)

    Something like this.
    It's not forced but it is from the lump of clay you throw on
    the chessboard to shape into a working model.
    From that you create your masterpiece.

    (I like that note, I'm going to tidy it up and use it again.)

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  9. Standard memberRJHinds
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    21 Jun '13 18:12
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    Don't kick yourself too hard Viv.

    You saw the winning idea and stuck to it.
    Me, you, everyone here and in the real world has missed quicker wins.
    Morphy, Tal, Fischer......

    I never saw the Knight sac in the few seconds I looked at the game before clicking on.
    After he played 34.fxg4 the position is open to all kinds of ideas.

    I was looking a ...[text shortened]... ove? Sac-backs are a pain.) Soon you end up with bits of clay all over the place.}[/pgn]
    Instead of taking the knight, Qa5 stops that plan because of the double attack on the queen and the d5 pawn with check.

    The Instructor
  10. Subscribergreenpawn34
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    21 Jun '13 21:26
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Instead of taking the knight, Qa5 stops that plan because of the double attack on the queen and the d5 pawn with check.

    The Instructor
    Hi RJ

    We are trying to show the lad how some of us see the patterns and ideas.

    my last note.

    "Well that bit works. Now you go back and see if White has anything
    better than not taking the Knight"

    I like your move but I can see 'The Instructor' has not added a diagram
    or given any lines. (Join in anytime you want RJ but use the features.)

    The lads need to see the ideas in action, not read about them.

    So it still appears White cannot take the Knight. Good.
    Amongst other things there are two either way perpetuals hiding in there.
    I'll pull them out.

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