01 Feb '09 11:56>
This is a 3 minute RHP blitz. I thought my roc sac was sound. Everytime I am happy with my game, Fritz has to find 500 blunders in it. :'(
Originally posted by ivan2908Your sacrifice (21.Rxh6) was correct, but seems it would not give more than draw if Black would defend accurate.
This is a 3 minute RHP blitz. I thought my roc sac was sound. Everytime I am happy with my game, Fritz has to find 500 blunders in it. :'(
[pgn][Event "RHP Blitz rated"] [Site "www.redhotpawn.com"] [Date "2009.2.1"] [Round "?"] [White "ivan2908"] [Black "araykupo"] [Result "1-0"] 1. e2-e4 c7-c5 2. Ng1-f3 d7-d6 3. d2-d4 c5xd4 4. Nf3xd4 Ng8-f6 5. Nb1-c3 ...[text shortened]... g7xh6 22. Qd2-h2 Rc8-c7 23. Qh2xh6 Be7-f6 24. Bd4xf6 Rf8xf6 25. Rd1-h1 1-0[/pgn]
Originally posted by greenpawn34that's very true. even though we tend to think of engine evaluation as it was some kind of objective truth about the position, it isn't. just because engines tend to win the strongest humans now, that doesn't mean their evaluation is correct. not any more than a 1800s evaluation is absolutely correct just because he wins all games against 1200s. in the absence of a god-like absolutely correct reference evaluation, there's really no way to know whether an engine is any closer to perfection than a human. no matter how many GMs an engine beats, it can still be wrong.
Perhaps if I wait 10 years. Fritz 30 will look at it and decide 10.Ba6
was unsound after all.
Originally posted by wormwoodI didn't follow those discussions seriously, but in the Rybka forum, I remember discussions about God's elo (a philosophical god, playing the "best" move in all positions), and if I recall correctly, there was a consensus that its elo wouldn't be that high (like 5000). My uneducated guess would be something around 3500-4000 against human opposition.
that's very true. even though we tend to think of engine evaluation as it was some kind of objective truth about the position, it isn't. just because engines tend to win the strongest humans now, that doesn't mean their evaluation is correct. not any more than a 1800s evaluation is absolutely correct just because he wins all games against 1200s. in the abse tzer relative to the 'truth of the position'. we just don't know, and can't find out.
Originally posted by wormwoodI think opening theory could serve as a good reference point for comparison, I know there's no necessity or scientific laws yet, but it seems to me that a large portion of theory is close to perfection. but defining perfection is difficult too, so I'll keep it at "being close" only. but negative comparisons could very well work.
the fundamental conclusion of this, until chess is solved, is that we can never know if an engine is correct or not. it might be statistically stronger than humans, but still a patzer relative to the 'truth of the position'. we just don't know, and can't find out.
Originally posted by greenpawn34I agree that when it gets solved, it for sure will be a negative thing. But I doubt it would change how I study or play. I'm trying to get decent in the english for 2 years, and I'm not even close.
I'm of the opinion that computers will bust chess eventually but most
people will just shrug and carry on playing anyway.
(I hope they don't switch to Random Chess - I hate it)
Originally posted by DawgHaus3200 is much too low. Rybka with a pawn or the exchange down plays around 2700 level right now. If she would go in the FIDE pool right now, I think 3100 would only be a matter of time if she could choose her tournaments (like super GMs do). We can assume Rybka 5 or Fritz 14 to be 3200.
I appreciate the point wormwood is trying to make - there are categories of chess strength unknown to us today. However I still would place the theoretical upper limit of chess strength - "God's rating" to use a euphemism - to still be fairly low, say around 3200-3300. The possibility of draws is inherent in what chess is - and the theoretical monster mac and then we'll see how much better the future machines are than what's capable today.
Originally posted by diskamylLet Black go first. .😉
I agree that when it gets solved, it for sure will be a negative thing. But I doubt it would change how I study or play. I'm trying to get decent in the english for 2 years, and I'm not even close.
I don't like FRC either, but I don't think we have a better choice. either a variant has to be agreed upon globally (which seems very unlikely), or the start ...[text shortened]... ced promotion to queen, or removing en pessent rule are tried to keep the game alive longer.