1... e5?
A pretty unsound gambit. It is full of traps until move 10, where you're just left with a hopeless position.
To which the answer is: So?
It's fun!
Just played on FICS, I was black rated 1267 and white was rated 1135. I'm just wondering exactly where he screwed up. All of his moves looked pretty reasonable to me.
6. Nc3 avoiding 6. Bc3? Bb4 (7. Qd2? Bxc3 8. Qxc3?? Qc1🙄
8. Rb1!
10. e3 (whew! he missed 10. Nd5 [10... Qxb5? 11. Nc7+])
11. Nd6+ Bxd6 12. exd6 Now that pawn really screws up black (at least, i didn't really like it being there)
Everything from there looked reasonable to me, but suddenly by move 19 Black is much better, up two pawns with all of whites pieces in wierd places doing pretty much nothing...
Where did white go wrong?
His first problem was developing his bishop to f4, that's just giving the pawn back with the queen check as you demonstrated. According to TimeforChess data base, Bf4 gives black a 58% chance of victory and white only has 37% chance. Given black's better position after the queen check, I can see why white's chances appear to be so dismal.
Better according to the data base is either Nc3, Qd5 (the move I was going to suggest) or e4. The down side to this is that the data base is rather small for this opening. Only 21,11 and 3 games respectively make up these numbers. Bf4 was based on 19 games.
Originally posted by DejectionHi.
1... e5?
A pretty unsound gambit. It is full of traps until move 10, where you're just left with a hopeless position.
To which the answer is: So?
It's fun!
[pgn]1. d4 e5 2. dxe5 Nc6 3. Nf3 Qe7 4. Bf4 Qb4+ 5. Bd2 Qxb2 6. Nc3 Nb4 7. Nd4 c5 8. Rb1 Qa3 9. Ndb5 Qa5 10. e3 a6 11. Nd6+ Bxd6 12. exd6 Nf6 13. Bc4 O-O 14. O-O b5 15. Be2 Nxa2 16. Ra1 Nxc3 1 l of whites pieces in wierd places doing pretty much nothing...
Where did white go wrong?
Nice to see someone else using this remarkably underrated weapon against the 1.d4 cowards.
I think you can still get a decent position as Black in many lines after the opening tactical shots, as long as being down the pawn & possibly losing the right to castle doesn't bother you too much.
Many positions lead to a draw by repetition which is hardly the end of the world for Black.
In your game after 6.Nc3 6...Bb4 really is thematic, setting White far more problems & potential early pitfalls.
Here are some of the key main line ideas:
1.d4 e5 2.dxe5 Nc6 3.Nf3 Qe7 4.Bf4 Qb4+ 5.Bd2
(5.Qd2?? Qxb2 6.Qc3 Bb4)
(5.Nc3 Qxf4 6.Nd5 Qe4 7.Nxc7+ Kd8 8.Nxa8 Nb4 9.Rc1 Nxa2 10.Ra1 Nb4 11.Rc1 Na2=)
5...Qxb2 6.Nc3
(6.Bc3?? Bb4 7.Qd2 Bxc3 8.Qxc3 (8.Nxc3 Qxa1+) 8...Qc1# )
6...Bb4 7.Rb1
(7.Nd5 Bxd2+ 8.Nxd2 (8.Kxd2 Kd8 9.Qc1 Qxc1+ 10.Kxc1 h6) 8...Nb4)
7...Qa3 8.Nd5!
(8.Rxb4? Nxb4 9.Nb5 Qa4 10.Nfd4 Kd8 11.e4 Nc6)
(8.Nb5!? Qa5 9.Nxc7+ Qxc7 10.Bxb4 Nxb4 11.Rxb4 Qc3+ 12.Qd2 Qa1+ 13.Qd1 Qc3+=)
(8.Rb3 Qa5 9.e3 a6 10.Bd3 Nge7)
8...Ba5 9.Rb5 Bxd2+ 10.Qxd2 Kd8 11.Ng5 Nh6 12.Ne4 Nxe5
Here's what Graham Burgess has to say about it in the brilliant Mammoth Book of Chess:
[/b]Englund Gambit[/b] (1 d4 e5)
[i]This is an extremely odd gambit, which should not be completely underestimated. In one of the main lines there is a devious trap, but not one I am aware of anyone falling for.
Trap: Englund Gambit
1 d4 e5 2 dxe5 Nc6 3 Nf3 Qe7 4 Bf4
4 Qd5 is another good move.
4...Qb4+ 5 Bd2
5 Nbd2?? Qxf4, perversely enough, is something that players occasionally fall into.
5...Qxb2 6 Bc3??
Natural, maybe, but a horrible mistake. 6 Nc3 Bb4 7 Rb1 Qa3 8 Rb3 Qa5 9 a3 is the main line, which is quite difficult for Black.
6...Bb4 7 Qd2
7 Bxb4 Nxb4! wins - this is even better than 7...Qxa1, though this does not give White sufficient compensation for the exchange.
7...Bxc3 8 Qxc3
8Nxc3 Qxa1+ gives Black a whole extra rook.
8...Qc1#
Originally posted by SquelchbelchI always find it amusing that someone is called a coward only because he/she plays 1.d4 (specially commented from players whos ratings are not high)!!! I mean evrybody is entitled to his/her opinion but calling someone a coward!!! *tztztztztztztztz*
Hi.
Nice to see someone else using this remarkably underrated weapon against the 1.d4 cowards.
To the gambit:
I had to play against this gambit 31 times since I started playing chess. (I actually took the time to look into my database).
My score is 30.5/31!!!
I personally think that the gambit is "rubbish".
Originally posted by AlzheimerCome on...
I always find it amusing that someone is called a coward only because he/she plays 1.d4 (specially commented from players whos ratings are not high)!!! I mean evrybody is entitled to his/her opinion but calling someone a coward!!! *tztztztztztztztz*
To the gambit:
I had to play against this gambit 31 times since I started playing chess. (I actually t ...[text shortened]... into my database).
My score is 30.5/31!!!
I personally think that the gambit is "rubbish".
Unless a BDG game, 1.d4 does have a distinctly yellow whiff about it. 😉
I have a +60% record with The Englund gambit on this site.
Like many obscure openings, the player with the best knowledge of the positions & best resources (ie careful use of specialist books & a database) often come out on top, despite the openings inherent "soundness" or lack thereof.