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  1. 25 Aug '10 01:27
    I use Chessmaster, the Grandmaster Edition to analyze all my games. I've been hearing a lot about Fritz and how great it is for analyzing games. At the level that I am at, roughly in the mid 1400s, is it worth investing the money to buy Fritz, or is Chessmaster enough. What does fritz have that Chessmaster doesn't?
  2. 25 Aug '10 09:16
    your not very good, I suggest you concentrate on your endgame skills, buy a good endgame book, it is better than using fritz.
  3. 25 Aug '10 11:05
    Originally posted by Jakal
    is it worth investing the money to buy Fritz?
    No.

    toet.
  4. 25 Aug '10 19:07 / 1 edit
    I guess they don't teach tact in your part of the world.

    "your not very good, I suggest you concentrate on your endgame skills, buy a good endgame book, it is better than using fritz."
  5. 25 Aug '10 22:15
    Originally posted by hintjul
    your not very good, I suggest you concentrate on your endgame skills, buy a good endgame book, it is better than using fritz.
    yeah, who are you, a 779 rated player, telling a 1450 or so there not very good and then to give them chess advice...really!
  6. 26 Aug '10 12:08
    Originally posted by Jakal
    I use Chessmaster, the Grandmaster Edition to analyze all my games. I've been hearing a lot about Fritz and how great it is for analyzing games. At the level that I am at, roughly in the mid 1400s, is it worth investing the money to buy Fritz, or is Chessmaster enough. What does fritz have that Chessmaster doesn't?
    I have CM10, and I tried analyzing with it once. What a pain in the you-know-what! The analysis may be OK (although I didn't really pay attention to what it was saying), but just the mechanics of doing the analysis was not very ergonomic (efficient).

    Having said that, I also have Fritz 8, and some of the menu structuring of F8 seems very non-intuitive to me. (Or maybe I just don't think like Germans. ) The F12 GUI was redesigned, so I'd hope that it's more intuitive, but I have no idea about that.

    What kind of analysis do you do? Is it just blunder checking to see what tactics you've missed? (That's all I use engine analysis for.) If so, I suspect Fritz would be overkill. Maybe you could try the free Arena 2.0.1 at www.playwitharena.com. Click on the "Arena Downloads" link on the left of the page, then download the "Arena 2.0.1 Setup" file.

    Arena won't give you any verbal analysis, but it will spot the tactical blunders. One bug I noticed with Arena is that if I added any annotation symbols to a game and then saved it to a PGN file, it will save the annotation symbols to the file - BUT, when I reload the game file, the annotation symbols don't appear in the Arena window. I've checked all the settings that I can find - It just seems to be a bug as far as I can tell.
  7. 26 Aug '10 12:55
    "What kind of analysis do you do? Is it just blunder checking to see what tactics you've missed?"

    I analyze my games from opening to end game. I like to read and listen to Chessmaster's recommendations for specific moves, especially blunders. Then I play against the computer starting from the corrected blunder position to see what might have been.
    I also pat myself on the back for a good move, which positively reinforces my good play.
    I just want to know if Fritz offers something that Chessmaster doesn't.

    I will check out Arena.
  8. 26 Aug '10 15:32 / 1 edit
    The main feature that Fritz has that CM doesn't is 'deep position analysis'. This is useful for seeing which side is 'winning' in a given position, which can be useful for analysing adjourned OTB games.

    For example, if an OTB game has stopped due to reaching the end of its session, then the game can either be adjourned (play resumes later), or adjudicated (a third party analysises the position and decides who has won). This is where deep position analysis is useful - Fritz will look over all the main lines in the position and ascribe a final 'score', in terms of +/-1, were +1 is roughly equivalent to white being ahead by 1 pawn.

    Of course, if the game is continued, club-level human players will normally deviate quickly from the optimal lines that Fritz chose, so the results should be taken with a pinch of salt, rather than as a guarantee of which side is winning. Anything less than +/- 2 is still hard to convert into a win, in general - at least for us mortals.

    So - I'd say that's the difference between CM and Fritz analysis. For analysing whole games, they are pretty much the same, but for analysing one position in detail, Fritz is better.

    Hope that helps ...
  9. Standard member nimzo5
    Ronin
    26 Aug '10 15:53
    Fritz gives you access to playchess, monte carlo simulations, openings book editing, deep positional analysis, friend mode/sparring mode (cm has personalities right? prob similar.)

    if that is worth 50 bucks is totally your call.
  10. 26 Aug '10 19:19
    fancy a game jakal? non-rated
  11. Standard member SwissGambit
    Caninus Interruptus
    26 Aug '10 23:42 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by hintjul
    your not very good, I suggest you concentrate on your endgame skills, buy a good endgame book, it is better than using fritz.
    Before you can play an endgame, you must learn to survive the opening:

    paul Bonomini vs. hintjul
  12. 27 Aug '10 00:43
    Originally posted by hintjul
    fancy a game jakal? non-rated
    Why do you keep resigning all your games? I don't want to play and have you resign in the middle of the game. Why do you resign when you have a winning position or are up in material?
  13. 27 Aug '10 00:54
    Hi SG.

    You should show the mate as some of the guys may not see it.
    It's mate in 8 with the h-pawn.

  14. 27 Aug '10 03:52
    why not simply 1. Qxh7#?
  15. 27 Aug '10 04:32
    Originally posted by dustycat
    why not simply 1. Qxh7#?
    It's called Greenpawn's Razor...

    When given the choice between 2 equals, always chose the more extravagant.