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08 Sep 06
Originally posted by vipiuGo is very big in some parts of the world. Im told its much more complex than chess (maybe from a brute force point of view).
there are not so many fans, and not so much money involved in this game. That's why I think the programmers did not work hard enough to create some very strong computer engines to play it=>humans still better...
08 Sep 06
Originally posted by vipiuPlenty of people are working on it - it's seen as one of the next big problems to crack in AI programming.
there are not so many fans, and not so much money involved in this game. That's why I think the programmers did not work hard enough to create some very strong computer engines to play it=>humans still better...
The main problem is that Go is much more strategic than chess. We know chess computers are brilliant at tactics, but not so good positionally. Pretty much everything in Go is positional.
08 Sep 06
It's definitly worth a try. I have so far been thrashed in nearly every online game I have played, but every now and then I sort of click and begin to get a feel for the game. Very deep.
I was suprised that it has a full handicapping system as well. Thus, weak players can still play against strong'uns and have a chance.
08 Sep 06
Originally posted by mtthwAre you sure thats the reason?
Plenty of people are working on it - it's seen as one of the next big problems to crack in AI programming.
The main problem is that Go is much more strategic than chess. We know chess computers are brilliant at tactics, but not so good positionally. Pretty much everything in Go is positional.
I was under the impression that the (only) reason go was harder for computers than chess is because in just about every position, there are more legal moves than in chess.
so, a 5 ply search (brute force) takes a lot longer in Go than chess, consequently, computers cant see as far ahead, hence they lose.
**In addition to that, you also have to factor in turns can be "missed"**
08 Sep 06
Originally posted by Mike OConnorI've played a couple of games on the net. My only impression was that it appears that, once one player starts to win pieces, they seem to win a lot in one go. Perhaps it was just two crap players playing each other (which i would assume is the case, as i'd never played it before and neither had my opponent!!). We played 3 games and this pattern seemed to follow through each game. I enjoyed it though, it's a good game. 🙂
OK, so this is not *strictly* about chess...
Anyone here play 'Go', the strategic board game? Just started playing it and apparently it is more in-depth than chess. The worlds best computers cannot beat the top ranked Go players.
Anyway....discuss.
08 Sep 06
Originally posted by ShinidokiThat as well, but it's a lot deeper problem than that.
Are you sure thats the reason?
I was under the impression that the (only) reason go was harder for computers than chess is because in just about every position, there are more legal moves than in chess.
so, a 5 ply search (brute force) takes a lot longer in Go than chess, consequently, computers cant see as far ahead, hence they lose.
**In addition to that, you also have to factor in turns can be "missed"**
There's some more info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Go